Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heather Kuzmich

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heather Kuzmich

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This person appears to have no notability outside of the show America's Next Top Model, Cycle 9 and a brief appearance on a morning talk show. In general we don't maintain articles on individual reality TV contestants, and I think the subject does not satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people) at present. —dgies^t_c 23:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per norm. Shoessss |  Chat  00:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 01:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 09:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Weakish keep. I came to this article because I was browsing the New York Times and found this article, which certainly speaks to her having significance beyond what she did on the show. The article suggests, for instance, that because of her, Asperger's Syndrome has attained a higher profile. Obviously, the show has given her a platform without which she wouldn't be notable, but that's not the same as being notable only for "one thing". I think that she is significant enough to have an article, even though the current article kind of sucks. Croctotheface 10:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth, I made this nomination before the NYTimes story went up. If you trim out all the "fan interest" the article could say she's a reality TV contestant who brought media attention to Asperger's Syndrome and hopes to become a spokeswoman. I'm still not convinced that's really notable. —dgies^t_c 15:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Or, if deleted, integrate a summary of her article into the one on Asperger's Syndrome. She undeniabley provided a vivid story and memorable face for a TV audience of millions, who may otherwise never have heard (or cared) about this unfortunate condition. Why not use this one case to draw attention to Asperger's - for a change, reality TV could do some good. Textor 16:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think a "vivid story" a criteria for notability, and Wikipedia doesn't exist for the social betterment of reality TV. Is she notable outside her appearance on this show? If not, any content belongs in the article America's Next Top Model, Cycle 9. —dgies^t_c 16:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but I think you misunderstood my point: I suggested to keep the Heather Kuzmich article because it provides a face and story, in a way that catches public attention, even of those who otherwise couldn't be bothered. The Social betterment of reality TV is not the intention here (impossible anyway), but to use it in order to illustrate the difficulties and challenges, if not discriminations, that suffers of Asperger's face in live. Heather Kuzmich suffered them in public view, that makes her notable. Textor 17:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, but re-write. I think you would have had a better case for deletion before the mainstream media picked up the story. The article just needs to be re-written to meet wikipedia quality standards and include information from secondary media sources, it doesn't need to be deleted. I read about this in the mainstream media and came here to find out more about it. Now that I see that the text of the article simply needs more information, I'll edit. Others will do the same. This is how wikipedia's supposed to work, isn't it? Phuff 17:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, though seconding the rewrite. There have been articles about her in the NY Times, ABC News, and The Chicago Sun-Times. That's significantly more coverage than the average reality TV contestant gets and I think it's enough to qualify her as "notable". I suppose it could be argued that her notability is temporary, but since that remains to be seen I think it would be premature to delete the article. Eatcacti 18:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep - Anyone notable enough to get a whole NYT article dedicated to them should have an article in Wikipedia. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 20:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Are you sure you mean Speedy keep? That means something other than just "definitely". —dgies^t_c 21:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, I mean, "close it now." Also, I don't appreciate your insult to my name in your edit summary. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
      • What insult? I'm sorry if there was a typo but no offense was meant. —dgies^t_c 23:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
        • Wow, looking at it, that is bad. Sorry again. —dgies^t_c —Preceding comment was added at 23:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
          • No hard feelings, people often have errors on my name. Sorry I attributed your error to malice. Cheers. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your support for keeping the article, but I don't think I like the "if you have a whole NYT article" standard. It's certainly possible for the NYT to have a fluff piece on someone who is not significant enough for an enyclopedia, or an article on a person in connection with some news item that lacks permanent significance. Croctotheface (talk) 00:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I'll downgrade my support to "keep". --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep per NYT profile; nontrivial coverage in reliable source independent of the subject. No brainer. Skomorokh ^incite 01:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Notable model with substantial international press coverage --Ryan Delaney ^talk 08:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Per detailed coverage above. Lawrence Cohen 23:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep: This lady's notability extends beyond the show itself; she has become a spokesperson for individuals with Asperger's syndrome and has received considerable media coverage for it (moreso than a random reality TV participant).--NeantHumain (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep: She now has at least four more creditable citable sources to make her notable anough for a wiki article, The New York Times, The Seattle Post, The Chicago-Sun Times, and ABC News. Obviously she's notable enough.AngielaJ 05:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. All of the contestants on Top Model more or less get interviews with the national papers. That doesn't mean all of them are notable. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 05:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Um, yes it does. Skomorokh ^incite 12:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Then go write up articles on all of them and cite that. I dare you. See how many of them are kept. REALLY. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 08:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Mike H., meet Hume's law, Skomorokh ^incite 01:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep: She is far more notable than many who have articles here. Paul Harald Kaspar (talk) 05:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Asperger Syndrome gives her more notability and press coverage than typical reality contestants. Dark clear obsession (talk) 16:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep I believe that she is much more notable than other models who have articles to therselves...say cassandra whitehead (who's only achievement in my view was quitting the show) or samantha francis (come on??? samantha francis????) i think you should definetly keep her...no way of deleting her because she IS notable —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superrodris89 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keepbased on MSM coverage. I came upon the New York Times article and I immediately guessed: "I'll bet there's a Wikipedia article about this person and I'll bet some people are trying to delete it." These days I could practically write a bot that voted "keep" on everything and it wouldn't be far off. I express no opinion about whether articles on all other America's Top Model contestants would be appropriate. JamesMLane t c 19:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep because heather is the most popular of this season and she will get more modeling jobs.User_talk:Mojojojo69 11:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep Adding to what others have said, Heather not only has provided notable media attention to her disabilities, but will probably stand as one of the most popular models the show has ever seen. At the very least, she should be included as a reference for Asperger's. -msphina 12.06.07 3:06 pm EST

• Strong Keep Heather Kuzmich needs her own reference here on Wikipedia. Yes, she is a person with an Asperger's Disorder (can be placed on the autism spectrum) that also participated in a reality-based TV show, yet that in itself is notable. In the autism world this is not “suppose” to happen, since the disorder negatively affects communication and social interaction. There are only a handful of well-known individuals with an autism disorder, and they usually distinguish themselves in science or math. While there have been plenty of movies with an autistic theme, there is no other person with this disorder exposed to the public from an entertainment perspective. Finally and most importantly, she is a person that other people will want to know about, look up and share with others. The disorder creates very bleak expectations, so any contradiction so the so-called standard is noteworthy accomplishment and Heather Kuzmich fit that bill. (First time poster, if someone see this post in the wrong area please correct it-thanks) Roe240 (talk) 01:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per NYT article, television appearances. Darkspots (talk) 16:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep she has been featured on many articles and she has received arguably more press attention than any other model in antm history. there is little reason to delete, and a lot to keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolkider (talk • contribs) 23:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep but rewrite —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivko (talk • contribs) 05:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep—I have added a citation to the Table of Contents of the People magazine in which the article noted at the end of the article appears. It would be best for someone with access to the article to both flesh out the use of the citation as well as the citation itself, but it is present now to support verification of the reliable source. Person does meet minimum notability requirements for inclusion at this time. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.