Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heath Miller (wrestler)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Bobet 10:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heath Miller (wrestler)

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Contested prod. Non notable wrestler, no evidence of multiple independent non-trivial sources, fails WP:BIO. One Night In Hackney303 06:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. Actually there are several reliable references, most from notably the official website of the WWA4 wrestling school run by Curtis Hughes, of his developmental contact with World Wrestling Entertainment and his competing in Deep South Wrestling, recently a former a developmental territory of WWE. He has also appeared on WB's Blue Collar TV and have cited the specific episodes he appeared in (which are available on the 1st season dvd as well). He has also competed in NWA Wildside, a notable independent promotion prior to signing with Deep South Wrestling. MadMax 08:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment As I said, the references are not independent or non-trivial sources for that matter. Wrestling for minor league promotions does not make someone notable per WP:BIO, again please use the notability guidelines which you have failed to do in other AfDs about non-notable wrestlers. Please provide multiple independent non-trivial sources. One Night In Hackney303 15:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Question how are these sources not "Independent"?? - After all the WP:BIO section defines independet as "Sources that are pure derivatives of an original source can be used as references, but do not contribute toward establishing the notability of a subject. "Intellectual independence" requires not only that the content of sources be non-identical, but also that the entirety of content in a published work not be derived from (or based in) another work (partial derivations are acceptable). For example, a speech by a politician about a particular person contributes toward establishing the notability of that person, but multiple reproductions of the transcript of that speech by different news outlets do not. A biography written about a person contributes toward establishing his or her notability, but a summary of that biography lacking an original intellectual contribution does not. The two verifiable apperances on Blue Collar TV and the statement on the WWA4 both fall within the "Independent" definition.
  • Comment I'd have thought it rather obvious that a tiny "press release" from the wrestling school (WWA4) where he trained is not independent of him. One Night In Hackney303 19:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Does he own the school? Does he profit from the school? No he's trained there, I guess we can discount any official university website as a source for their alumni with that reasoning? You read the definition of "Independent" as stated in WP:BLP - whatever else you may chose to infer with the term is not supported by policy. MPJ-DK 20:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The apperances on Blue Collar TV is what sets him apart from a long string of indy guys, signing a developmental deal just adds to his notabily, granted it's not like he's Madonna but he qualifies for inclusion IMO. MPJ-DK 19:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment We don't have articles for every actor who's appeared on two episodes of a TV show, as that does not confer notability. Also a developmental deal does not make someone notable. I'll again use the baseball analogy, should a player be signed to a Major League club but still be participating in the minor leagues he is generally not notable, but when he starts playing Major League he is. One Night In Hackney303 19:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment this article is judged on it's own, not what is or is not elsewhere on Wikipedia - an argument you have made yourself on so many occations that I have taken it to heart. So what is or is not included other places is not an argument for deleting this article. And like I said "It's not like he's Madonna" but there is enough there to set him apart from the average joe schmoe wrestler. MPJ-DK 20:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Agree with MPJ-DK --St.daniel talk 21:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
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