Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Health Facilities in Thuringowa city

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Health Facilities in Thuringowa city, List of medical facilities in Townsville and List of schools in the City of Thuringowa given lack of notable content and various WP:NOT issues. There is no real content worth merging but the pages could be userfied on request as a basis for creating more general articles about schooling/healthcare in the area in question. There is no consensus to delete List of schools in Townsville, Queensland, which has been renamed to Townsville-Burdekin School District. I note the general principle of upmerging coverage schools not notable enough to have their own article to the relevant school district which seems to justify the presence of that article. Given the lack of discussion of the additional articles proposed by WikiTownsvillian to be deleted, I do not think these can validly be seen as part of this AfD. They should nomianted seperately. WjBscribe 01:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Health Facilities in Thuringowa city

Health Facilities in Thuringowa city (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
List of medical facilities in Townsville (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Also enjoining the further following items to this AfD;

List of schools in Townsville, Queensland (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
List of schools in the City of Thuringowa (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Per WP:NOT#DIR, WP:NOT#GUIDE and WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE. These articles are nothing more than lists, and serve no useful purpose on WP. In the case of the schools, such information would be better provided in a structured list that serves the entire state, not just a single local government area, specially considering the small amount of content being provided. Thewinchester (talk) 17:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - I won't get into this AfD at the moment except to say that I think at least List of schools in Townsville, Queensland deserves consideration separately from the other three, really all four should be considered separately. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 17:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all per wikipedia is not a directory. I dont think an encyclopedia should be listing all the public service buildings in a city. A category would be more useful in grouping the notable things on these lists Corpx 19:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I think that these articles could form the basis of a useful article if rewritten. For example, an article on the Townsville Health Service District which contains hospitals and other services in the Townsville area would be an encyclopedic topic see [1]. Similarly, an article on the Townsville-Burdekin School District would be a useful article encompassing information on the district as a whole and individual schools within it. Capitalistroadster 02:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment I would be open to Capitalistroadster's suggestion. WikiTownsvillian 10:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment These Articles are a vital part of the main pages and to delete them would take away that info so i vote that they stay as they have been for a long time. Thuringowacityrep 10:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —Thewinchester (talk) 02:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree the articles should be kept and converted from a list format to a article format. However, I strongly suggest that the articles are merged to reflect a whole of Townsville approach. I am aware there is some history behind the separation both on-wiki and in the real world. However the current status of separate articles on various topics for each LGA is an inappropriate fork given that regardless of LGAs, Townsville is essentially one urban area. Of course, this is implicit in the approach suggested by Capitalistroadster -- Mattinbgn/ talk 05:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete If the locations individaully pass WP:CORP then I might change my mind. As it is these lists are simply bad directories - eg, looking at Health Facilities in Thuringowa city it includes hospitals which are not actually in th City of Thuringowa.Garrie 05:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm in alignment with comments already made by Capitalistroadster and Mattinbgn, the lists would be much more informative if made into articles, and consideration should be given to merging information of the 2 LGA's as the location and size of major facilities is affected by the existence of each other, as they are in other urban agglomerations --Melburnian 09:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Just for the info of all of you who are not familiar with North Queensland; the Townsville Health Service District (includes Ingham) and the Townsville-Burdekin School District (includes Ayr) referred to by Capitalistroadster cover very large geographical areas and have no relation to either individual LGAs or the urban centre of Townsville/Thuringowa. Therefore this option would for these articles at least resolve the issue of distinguishing between Thuringowa and Townsville/Thuringowa and also would give the articles substance in being about functioning entities which would pass WP:CORP. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 12:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I think this would make much more sense if they were articles about the Townsville Health Service District and the Townsville-Burdekin School District - as it stands, the topics seem rather arbitrary. Rebecca 12:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge content of articles is still usable and should be retained in line with the comments made by Capitalistroadster, Mattinbgn, Melburnian and Rebecca. --VS talk 15:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per thewinchester's initial comments. Michellecrisp 06:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Since my suggestions to treat these as separate AfDs has gone unaddressed I respectfully ask that you add the following articles to this AfD to avoid any perception that this is a pick on Thuringowa or Townsville issue.
Much appreciated in advance. WikiTownsvillian 11:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Perth and Melbourne should be retained as they are major cities. facilities in Thuringowa could be merged into a North Queensland list in my opinion. Michellecrisp 11:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
    • either these articles should be defined by their governmental unit or by their city, 'major cities' is subjective and also not a criteria under notability, people in China or Japan might not consider Perth or Melbourne to be of much difference to Townsville, and they'd be right other than a few sky scrapers in the middle. :) WikiTownsvillian 12:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Health Facilities in Thuringowa city (again; see old afd) and List of medical facilities in Townsville; they are essentially the same, with only one blue link in both lists. Definitely keep List of schools in Townsville, Queensland as it has enough blue links on it to justify being used as a navigational page. OTOH, list of schools in the City of Thuringowa is not so useful. I have moved List of schools in Townsville, Queensland to Townsville-Burdekin School District in an attempt to get the ball rolling there. John Vandenberg 20:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Agree with Jayvdb, blue links (ie notable schools) are probably the only quantitative indicator we have to go on. Michellecrisp 00:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete While the suggestion to turn the lists into articles makes general sense, the themes appear in most cases more than adequately covered already in the existing City of Thuringowa article. Murtoa 06:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
In reply to Murtoa What "themes appear in most cases more than adequately covered already in the existing City of Thuringowa article" are you talking about? the :Health Facilities in Thuringowa city (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) cover all the medical centres etc for Thuringowa and on the main Thuringowa page there is only a small amount of info about the Kirwan Health Campus etc and :List of medical facilities in Townsville (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) is for Townsville not Thuringowa and again on the Thuringowa page nothing is said about the Townsville medical centres because that info is for Townsville and has it's own list....next, where on the Thuringowa page does it say anything about  :List of schools in Townsville, Queensland (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) mmmm no where...why because this page is about Thuringowa city and as for :List of schools in the City of Thuringowa (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) i can't see how this has been covered on the Thuringowa page because there is only one line left about schooling now, after it was edited down yet again, so can you please tell me how the info in these lists are covered on the City of Thuringowa page. We are looking at more than just the Thuringowa list here hey. Thank you Thuringowacityrep 09:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Respectfully, my view was that the main article largely covers these themes in sufficient notable detail. Sure they don't contain all the detail you would prefer but I was thinking of notability, and you may beg to differ. By themselves I believe they fail per WP:NOT#DIR. Murtoa 14:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all since WP is not a directory. No objection to including a reasonable subset of this information in regular articles. If the info is merged then some health facilities and some schools will probably not be notable enough to be included, but that's as it should be. EdJohnston 22:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.