Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/He Li

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 03:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] He Li

He Li (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This person simply doesn't seem notable enough. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 23:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep He's more notable than you! Why does Wikipedia continue to delete so many useful articles? Xanucia 23:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • There's no Wikipedia article about me. If there were, I'd advocate for its deletion as well assuming that such advocacy is not considered a conflict of interest. --Nlu (talk) 23:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete borderline speedy but no harm letting it go the full 5 days. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per fails WP:BIO. Arbustoo 00:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

• Additional nomination: after some thought, I am also nominating the related article He Jiuying (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (He Li's father) for deletion. Seems a bit more notable than the son, but still not enough. Delete as well. --Nlu (talk) 00:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Please go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/He Jiuying to discuss whether He Jiuying should be deleted. This page is only for the discussion about He Li. --Neo-Jay 09:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • WP:AFD permits nominations of multiple (related) articles in a nomination, although in this case perhaps I should have nominated He Jiuying from the beginning. I'll think about it. I may do what you ask and make a separate discussion. --Nlu (talk) 16:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • I know that WP:AFD allows that related articles are nominated for deletion together in one page. But it is not the case for He Jiuying and He Li. They are related only in the sense that they are father and son. They should be discussed separately. Thanks.--Neo-Jay 17:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Got a feeling that we have Chinese mainlanders working here, in a not so good way. At least now I know why China block Wikipedia. 142.58.101.27 00:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. No evidence at all presented of notability. Mwelch 01:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Since I wrote this, new evidence has been provided. Since I don't read Chinese, though, I don't feel very qualified to evaluate it, so I'll step out of this one. Mwelch 01:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - No assertion of notablity.--Bryson^{{Talk}{Edits}} 02:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Weak delete Keep on the basis of the discussion below. Apparently has won major critical attention. Given the background ,he may well become notable but by usual standards he is not yet unless the poems have won some exceptional prizes of critical attention.DGG 04:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC) DGG 23:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. He Li was one of notable middle school poets in the 1980s in China. I have added references from People's Daily and other sources. Please check it again and reconsider it. Thank you.--Neo-Jay 09:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The idea of a notable middle school poet is just ... odd. He might have talent, but I don't think the references are sufficient to establish notability. --Nlu (talk) 16:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Sorry for my poor English. If the concept of "middle school poet" is odd, do you think "young poet" or "child poet" is fine? It's not usual for a middle school student to publish poems. There is a movement of middle school campus poems in 1980s in China. See article The Memory of Campus Poems in the 1980s (in Chinese). This article introduced some background for this movement. Jiang Hongwei, a leading young poet in that movement, also wrote some articles to discuss this movement. He is also writing a book about it. Thanks. --Neo-Jay 16:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This doesn't deal with people's notability, but with a strange war again Chinese people just in this wikipedia. SISLEY 16:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Whatever. I write about Chinese people, but Chinese or not, people have to satisfy notability guidelines to have articles about them. I don't think this person does. --Nlu (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • What sources do you think can satisfy the requirement of notability? The notability requirement says A notable topic has been the subject of at least one substantial or multiple non-trivial published works that are reliable and independent of the subject. I think that I have provided enough published works to prove his notability. Thanks.--Neo-Jay 16:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • However, the reference in the People's Daily -- while the paper with the largest circulation in the PRC -- is not, in my opinion, dispositive, because of the general consensus here that a "15 minutes of fame" type of reference is insufficient to establish notability. That's effectively what that link shows. In effect, as it stands right now unless more notability is shown, this was a man who got published as a youngster for the novelty value of having written poetry as a youngster. No literary or other notability is otherwise shown. This is not Anne Frank. --Nlu (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't think that the People's Daily article is only a "15 minutes of fame" type of reference. And it is not the only reference in article He Li. Jiang Hongwei's article indicates that He Li was an important figure in the campus poem movement in the 1980s in China (for the background information about Jiang Hongwei and his articles, see "The Memory of Campus Poems in the 1980s" in Chinese). Moreover, until now this page was exclusively used to discuss He Li, not He Jiuying. I hope you can establish Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/He Jiuying to discuss him separately. Even though the article He Li may be deleted, it does not follow that this conclusion should also be applied to the article for his father. Thanks. --Neo-Jay 20:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep multiple reliable sources have been provided. –Pomte 01:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.