Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hays (Pittsburgh)

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The result was speedy keep, nomination withdrawn and no other delete opinions expressed. GRBerry 12:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hays (Pittsburgh)

Delete - I just realised I could be noming this due to a difference in terminology but we will see. A neigbourhood (which in the uk is a very small area but I've just realised could mean something else in the states) would be entirely non-notable. If not I'll get to work on my Berwyn View article Charlesknight 11:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, there is some precedence for keeping this sort of article, though personally I'd prefer to see this as part of a larger article on Neighborhoods of Pittsburgh. This could redirect to the master article and be broken out into an individual article if and when enough information exists to support more than a stub. I'd do it but the only thing I know about Pittsburgh is that they produce Iron City Beer...--Isotope23 16:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Nevermind... I just noticed there already is a list of Pittsburgh Neighborhoods linked in the article.--Isotope23 16:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

just for my future reference - is there a policy on neighbourhoods and notability? are they inherently notable --Charlesknight 17:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope, there is no policy or guideline here... I can completely see why you initiated this AfD. in practice though, physical places like cities, towns, etc, usually get kept. As far as neighborhoods, it gets a bit murkier as you start to get into "what defines a neighborhood". I only speak for myself, but personally I have no problem with a "neighborhood" article as long as it can be reliably sourced that a specific area of a city is refered to by a specific name. In this case it would appear that Hays is a term used for this area. Personally, I don't believe anything is "inherently notable".--Isotope23 19:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Just for reference, here is a map of the area in question. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a primarily industrial area set between various low-income residential neighborhoods that used to be mill housing. It used to be classified as an independent borough,[1], not sure whether it still technically is or not. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Apparently, it's also rather notoriously flood-prone.[2]. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 20:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, It may just be the Pennsylvanian in me speaking, or that I'm unwilling to set a precedent of deleting neighborhoods, but I believe established neighborboods in cities can be notable.-- danntm ^T _C 20:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Districts of cities are notable. -- Necrothesp 22:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I think this is where the langage difference comes in - is a district a neighbourhood? --Charlesknight 22:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I was using the term generically to mean an area, not a formal sub-division. "The neighbourhood" in the UK usually just means "the locality", not an area with a name as it does in the US. I think we'd generically call that a "district". -- Necrothesp 23:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

OK I'm convinced - what's the process for me closing this AFD?

--Charlesknight 23:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment As it stands, it is a rather useless stub, and I could still argue for it to be deleted as there lacks any assertion of notability. Someone familiar with the "neighbourhood" would do well to dress up the article with an explanation of the name, what there is, etc. Ohconfucius 04:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.