Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy close - AfD is not a place for content disputes, go to WP:MEDCAB or WP:MEDCOM. Non admin close. Giggy _U^CP 00:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah

Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This is a procedural nomination as there is an edit war that doesn't seem to have an end in sight. While the initiation of the AfD was procedural, my opinion is below. First nomination resulting in delete due to a copyright violation here. --Oakshade 20:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Clearly this person is held in high esteem on a national level Lebanon. The prestigious Arab American Institute considers him a "Famous Arab American" here which is a mirror of their own article here. The Lebanese Embassy in Washington, D.C. put a copy of the content on their website [1]. Whether some stipulations of holding patents in solar cells can be substantiated or not, the person is still notable. There even appears to be a streets in both Beirut and Nabatieh named after him [2] [3] [4]. If you have a street named after you in a major city and national capital, you're notable. --Oakshade 21:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough for an article.Harlowraman 22:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep. This man appears to have created an impressive number of patents indeed. However, patents are churned out in their hundreds of thousands every year, so it's pretty obvious to me that most of them come from rank-and-file scientists. Furthermore, I know from experience that small countries tend to exaggerate the achievements of their expatriates, promoting them as celebrities when in fact most of them are completely unknown in their host country. I'm not saying it's the case here but I wouldn't put too much faith in a Lebanese source. And nobody has said yet what exactly Mr Sabbah created or helped create. So I'm not sure about his notability but I'll grant him the benefit of doubt.--Targeman 22:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy close I don't know what a "notability war" is, but if you do not actually want an article deleted, don't nominate it to try to "win" an editing dispute. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 23:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  How can one "win" an edit war by nominating something for deletion? It's nominated because it's a never ending edit war which I'm tired of and it should be left up to WP:CONSENSUS to decide. I have no control over other users opinion. If consensus wants it deleted, fine. Proceedural nominations are very common. And speedy close to what? Keep? Delete? No Consensus? --Oakshade 23:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  Speedy close as "shouldn't have been nominated in the first place." Procedural noms are made when a deletion is overturned at WP:DRV. If you are involved in an edit war, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies is where you want to go. Bringing it to this forum simply wastes everyone's time. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 23:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  That's not only when procedural noms are made. This nomination is intended to end the constant edit war regarding the notablity of this person. Would you be happy if a user who wants it deleted made the nomination? (that likely would happen soon) What AfD policy that states "Only those who want an article deleted can nominate an article for deletion" are you referring to? --Oakshade 23:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  (ec)Deletion of the article would end the edit war, but as you want it kept that does not seem to be your goal. I would be happy if a user who wanted it deleted made the nomination because such a user would be better able to explain why exactly it should be deleted. Do you really need a policy to tell you that "Only those who want an article deleted can [should] nominate an article for deletion?" ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 00:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Close per ObiterDicta. AfD is not for content disputes. --Charlene 00:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Not speedy--this is not just a content dispute--the debate of the talk page is over whether his actual accomplishments are sufficiently notable. (about which I take no position) DGG (talk) 00:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

  Fine, then let the editor who is questioning notability make a proper nomination, providing a proper reason for deletion. The edit war from the article's history seems to be about sourcing of various claims, although some of the issues there are related to whether the subject is notable. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 00:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.