Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hart wrestling family

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — TKD::Talk 04:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hart wrestling family

DeleteBut put all the information on Stu Hart's page since that's where the information came from in the first place.(MgTurtle 17:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)).

  • Keep for 3 reasons - 1) the family tree wasn't taken from the Stu page, the family listing was moved there from the Stu page then removed from the Stu Hart page since it was more appropriate on the Hart wrestling Family page (with a {{main}} reference in the Stu Hart article so that no one got confused) 2) The Hart family in itself is notable, they've had PLENTY of coverage in various media and as such fullfill the Notability requirement that Wikipedia has. 3) and the main reason it shouldn't just remain in the Stu Hrat page is - Stu is dead, the Hart Family lives on, does stuff, expands, debuts, dies, marries etc. even afte Stu is dead and thus is more appropriate for a seperate article instead of being a subsection in the article of a guy that is now dead. MPJ-DK 17:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The family tree may have be updated but the origianl was taken from Stu's page and the family list was alos taken from Stu's page.And there's nothing new on the page and the notable people (i.e. Harry Smith, Nattie Nedihart, Teddy Hart, Bret) have pages and that's where new info can be added.

Who cares where the original family tree that's been replaced months ago came from? And it's a simple question - did the Hart wrestling family end with Stu's death? I'm not going to argue with you any more, I've spoken my mind, I leave it up to the others to vote now MPJ-DK 17:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think the opposite should happen. I think the family tree and list of names should be removed from Stu Hart's page. There should be a couple of sentences under the Family heading talking about him being the patriarch of the wrestling family, and there should be a tag that says {{Main|Hart wrestling family}}. The list of family members and family tree should be kept separate because it clogs up Stu's page. Plus, the Hart family is more than notable enough to have their own page. Nikki311 19:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  • comment I did exactly as you suggested, it was reverted by MgTurtle but I agree that'd be the best way to handle it. MPJ-DK 19:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep -- the Hart family is notable separate from Stu Hart himself, and arguably more famous. JPG-GR 00:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  • commentThe Hart family is notable, some pople more than others, (I think Stu is more notable than most of his children or grandchildren) but the notable people have their own page and to include the non-notable people in a whol another page is just stupid. I think that the list of names and the family tree should stay on Stu's page because the sentence says that Stu's greatest accomplisment is his family with his wife Helen.And without this information on Stu's page,it's basically a wrestling stub because it leaves out most of his life.That's my view.(MgTurtle 01:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)).
Comment, Please check WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Not liking something is not a reason to delete it. Besides, if moving the information makes Stu's page a stub...so be it. It can always be expanded to add more information about his career (which needs to be there anyway). Moreover, the comment about Stu saying that his family is his greatest accomplishment is unsourced and should probably be removed. Nikki311 04:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  • keep -- i dont see any real reason to delete it. the hart family is a very distinctive family in wrestling history and they should be acknowledged with their own page. Xchickenx 02:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  • CommentThe thing about Stu Hart saying that his family was his greatest accomplishment has been said by most of his children and his wife Helen.Maybe instead of saying it's his greatest accomplishment maybe it could say that his family was a great source of joy because it was besides wrestling and training wrestlers.You obviously have never read some of his interviews or seen Wrestling with Shadows.Maybe if you watch the movie or read his book, you'll get a better understanding of the man he was.I think that the list of his children should stay on his page but the family tree may just be too redundant.Just my opinion.(MgTurtle 02:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)).
  • Keep, although head of the family Stu is not the subject of this article, just as the rest of the family is (mostly) still alive then a overarching article which can be linked to all the live articles is a big help, and will stop anyone duplicating this info on all the Hart pages. Darrenhusted 15:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, I'm not a fan of wrestling, but I am fully aware of the influence of the Hart family. Entirely notable. Smashville 02:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - undeniably notable for its impact on the world of professional wrestling, and fully justified in having its own article separate from Stu Hart and any of the others. 23skidoo 16:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per above; the Hart family's fairly extensive impact on wrestling means it has enough notability separate of Stu to warrant an article. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - per above. The family is incredibly notable separate from Stu Hart. The Hybrid 15:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This article could also be merged into for some of the less notable members. I do think a few of the other "pro wrestling family" articles should be deleted. Dannycali 18:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.