Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harshing My Mellow (disambiguation)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete the disambiguation page, procedural keep on the redirects. Although I understand the thinking behind bundling these together, redirects are a different beast and need to be discussed at WP:RFD. As such, I only examined the consensus as it relates to the disambiguation page. --jonny-mt 14:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Harshing My Mellow (disambiguation)

Harshing My Mellow (disambiguation) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

DAB page for two WP:NN albums, neither of which are apparently worthy of their own pages. Both are redirects and included in this Afd. Toddst1 (talk) 23:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because they are WP:NN and don't have their own articles, rather they redirect:

Harshing My Mellow (album) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Harshing Your Mellow (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Toddst1 (talk) 23:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep Harshing My Mellow (disambiguation) exists because of wikt:harshing my mellow. I was going to make a soft redirect, but then found other things under the same title, so it became a disambig. Sometimes redirects are used as placeholders when an article does not exist (yet). The DAB is appropriate and should stay. --evrik (talk) 23:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Are either of the bands notable? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Answer: neither of the bands is notable enough to have their own article. One redirects to the drummer's page and the other to the record label. Toddst1 (talk) 23:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Harshing Your Mellow, akimbo 971 ghits
Harshing my Mellon, bewitched 2330 ghits
Again, this originally started as harshing my mellow but has been moved around several times. When I found other things with similar names it became a {{disambig}}. Make harshing my mellow a soft redirect to wikt:harshing my mellow, like wikt:pimp slap. I'm fine with that. --evrik (talk) 23:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete disambig, but move other discussion to WP:RFD. Okay.. this is a little complicated and will only get worse. First of all Harshing My Mellow, Harshing My Mellow (album), and Harshing Your Mellow are all REDIRECTS and should be discussed at WP:RFD, not here. The disambig page, right now, is only disambiguating those redirects. However, the hard Harshing My Mellow does NOT point to the disambig (in fact, nothing does). So, delete this useless disambig first, decide what to do with the redirects (and maybe even the articles they point to) second, then discuss the need for a new disambig last. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 23:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Weak Keep. I'm striking my original !vote as things have changed since I first commented. I think there's some MOS issues here, but nothing to get into a twist over not worth either an AFD or an RFD. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 19:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Nothing points to the DAB page because when the redirect got deleted someone went and changed the wikilinks. --evrik (talk) 23:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC) There are now articles pointing back at the page.--evrik (talk) 17:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you had a pretty good solution above. I recommend boldly putting your soft redirect at Harshing my mellow for now with a {{Otheruses}} tag on it. That should resolve your concerns I think. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 23:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
      • While I appreciate that, that would put the whole thing back to square one. I object to WP:BOLD as it short circuits a full discussion. This should get a chance to sit for a few days. --evrik (talk) 23:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Your call, evrik. Unless something points to that disambig page through {{Otheruses}} or something similar, my !vote stands at delete it. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 23:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't think it will ever be a full article, but if you look at google you'll see that the DAB page is now the second highest ranked page when the term is searched and it points to relevant information here in wikipedia and wiktionary. The DAB serves its purpose. --evrik (talk) 23:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete the disambiguation page as unnecessary (no articles to disambiguate between). No objection to making it a soft redirect to Wiktionary. Terraxos (talk) 03:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment There is a lot of misinformation in this debate. Currently there are seven articles that link to the {{disambig}} page. --evrik (talk) 17:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In all fairness and in the interest of full disclosure, you added those 7 links after these users made their comments. The information was accurate when those comments were made. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 19:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete and keep. Delete the disambiguation page; it serves no purpose. An obvious Keep for the redirects, since they allow readers to find the articles pertaining to the albums, which is a fundamental use of redirects. They should not have been included with this AfD in the first place. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm okay with the deletion of Harshing My Mellow (disambiguation). What I ask is that the contents of the page be moved to harshing my mellow. Have all the redirects point to that page. --evrik (talk) 00:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - unnecessary disambiguation. PhilKnight (talk) 00:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete disambuation and album pages because "Harshing My Mello" gets the job done and keep "Harshing Your Mellow" because it is slightly more convenient than using the search function. –thedemonhog talk • edits 01:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.