Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harq Obispal and Stalinvast

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, defaulting to keep --Ichiro 23:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harq Obispal and Stalinvast

This is a combined nomination for Harq Obispal and Stalinvast. Both these articles are non-canonical in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe, and appear to be the subject of a role-playing character and setting, respectively. "Harq Obispal" attracts nine unique Google hits, the majority of the non-Wikipedia ones are for role-playing forums. -- 22:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Saberwyn - The Zoids Expansion Project

• I strike my previous charge, but still believe this is a candidate for deletion. See below the relisting notice.

Both Stalinvast and Harq Obispal are sourced in the Black Library Publication of "Inquisitor" by Ian Watson and as such exist properly inside the Warhammer 40K Universe at large and not any specific gamers campaign.

• Well, please rewrite the articles to show this information. I can only work off what I find in the article, and what I find in Google, which did not say anything about the Ian Watson novel. Saberwyn - The Zoids Expansion Project 23:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• Stalinvast is key to the story in question while Obispal is an essential but relatively minor character-still working on template for Draco and the other main figures-though more worthy of a seperate entry than say planetary governor Lord Voronov-Vaux. The book I have is entitled Inquisitor and is the first of the Inquisition War Trilogy. it was reissued by the Black Library as Draco in 2002. Found it easily on a google search.

I admit that my first claim of non-canonocity is false, in light of the evidence. I admit I was wrong. However, I still find myself questioning this article's 'place' in the grand scheme of Warhammer 40,000-related articles on Wikipedia.

Many of the characters in the fictional universe do not have their own articles. The Emperor Himself, arguably the single most important character/'historical figure' in the game and fiction, is a section in another article (although I do concede that there are plans to move him back out, and support this move). The majority of the Primarchs are included in the article on their Legion (with one exception, who is arguably the second most important character/'historical figure' in the fictional universe.

I have never read the Inquisition War (and knowing my luck, will probably never get the chance to), and don't know how important the character of Harq Obispal, or the world of Stalinvast) is to the plot. I think the best place for this information would be either in an article on the Inquisition War trilogy, or in an article on "Jac Draco", who appears to be the primary character of the trilogy. Failing that, my call for deletion still stands. No offense to the article author or the subject material, but to me, this is at the moment little more than Warhammer40K-cruft. -- Saberwyn

• Keep (but very weak). Ideally, produce a high-quality article on the book and merge these articles into that, but if that doesn't happen I'd rather keep the information available rather than delete it. Cheers --Pak21 10:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.