Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Halloween yard (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 05:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halloween yard

Tis article has been recreated after an AfD debate held at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haunted yard Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skeleton garlands. The author has recreated the article. The same nomination applies: I prodded this article and the author removed the prod, as is their right. Nonetheless it fails on so many levels. The simplest is WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. The concept of a "Haunted Yard" is simply not a topic, disambiguation page or not, that belongs in any encyclopaedia I have ever come across. Yes, search for it in Google and there are hits, of course there are, but you also get hits for "Yellow Sofa", which we do not have an article on. In other words, Ghits notwithstanding, it is really trivial and deserves to go Note - I copied the wrong orogonal AfD Fails WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. It and the other articles are entirely trivial, and discussion with the creator has failed to establish agreement, so I am placing them here for full peer review and comment. During discussions it has been suggested by another editor that these articles may attract link spam as Halloween approaches Fiddle Faddle 16:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Spooky_walk

Stop it now, or a verification of the nominations against WP:WP, trolling and stalking, talk page abuse, may lead to a request for comment. User:Yy-bo 17:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Is this an exact repost of the prior article? Because if it is, then it can be speedied as a repost of properly deleted information. If this is not the case, then count me in to delete. Indrian 16:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I have no access to the original text. All I can say is that it is substantially similar, and similarly lacking in anything notable. Since it was the author who speedied it I think I am right that it has to come to AfD, but am happy to be corrected. Fiddle Faddle 16:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually this is now getting complex. The author has overwritten the article with another article substantially different in nature, removing the AfD banner. Please see the edit history. I have reinstated the banner but feel that I need to leave this to an experienced admin to sort out. Thus I will only take further part in this AfD on request of an admin in case an edit or revert war should start. While this may be considered vandalism I do not intend myself to place a warning on their talk page. Fiddle Faddle 16:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Except, that is, to correct the nomination. Well, boy did I mess thatt up! There were quite a few of these. Fiddle Faddle 17:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

User Fiddle Faddle, i restored to the article version which has been newly created, based on the previous articles. I considered it as vandalism to shorten the article this far. Please see article history. Your deletion nomination refers to the wrong discussion. Guess this is obvious. User:Yy-bo 17:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, there is nothing called a "Halloween yard." Some people decorate their yards on Halloween, (and how they do so is adequately covered at Halloween) but we don't have an article called Christmas living room for the same reason we shouldn't have one here. That reason is that the concept of a yard during Halloween is not considered seperate enough from the general concept of Halloween in the same way that, say, a Jack O'Lantern is. Recury 17:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

"Not considered separate enough" by who? Actually, we do have quite a strong precedent for this, with articles such as Christmas stocking, Christmas card, Christmastime greetings, Wassailing, Mistletoe, Christmas cookies, Christmas cake, Christmas ham, Christmas pudding, Christmas cracker, Twelve-dish Christmas Eve supper, Christmas dinner, Yule log, Secret Santa, Santa Claus parade, Christmas village, Christmas carol, Christmas ornament, Christmas tree, Christmas lights, Christmas pickle, Nativity scene, and American Christmas traditions, just to name a few. (Yes, there are many more.) I don't see anyone rushing to merge these articles into Christmas. I think it's a no-brainer that Halloween lawn displays are a tradition worthy of separate treatment. wikipediatrix 18:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

No Christmas living room though? Recury 19:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Since that phrase is something you just contrived for the sake of argument, there's no analogy. "Halloween yard" is a well known phenomena (gets 34,300 Google hits. "Christmas living room" is not. (gets 1210 hits). wikipediatrix 19:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The analogy is pretty obvious: Holiday + AreaThatIsDecorated is not a valid topic for an article. The decorations themselves are valid topics, but this is not. Recury 19:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• We're not describing the yard itself; we're describing the often-elaborate environment constructed in the yard. Zagalejo 20:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, Per Recury. Whatever unique content is here can be merged into Halloween. - Ehheh 17:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge, Redirect, close Afd speedily Hmmm... i just merged the yard into halloween traditions, which is also questioned for being a listcruft. No need for an extra article. However, this time i will not add db author. User:Yy-bo 17:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • The decision is not yours to make. Let the AFD run its course. Recury 18:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• delete despite McGeddons good clean up job it says nothing more than the Halloween page. What worries me is that it will become a product placement page. I fthere is any thing novel here then merge into the halloween article. David D. (Talk) 18:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Information http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Halloween_yard&oldid=75533250 Afd was for this version, original article. Can't just shorten an article to nothing, then nominate for Afd. User:Yy-bo 18:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

comment it is quite normal to clean up an article during the AfD to bring it to an acceptable standard. McGeddons version is a lot more likely to survive than your own. What you call nothing I call concise. Concise is good. David D. (Talk) 18:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per precedent clearly in place with separate articles currently devoted to every conceivable bit of Christmas minutiae in existence (see partial list above). There is plenty of room for expansion of the subject, and the Halloween article is already growing overlong. wikipediatrix 18:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nothing said here that wouldn't be said in Halloween traditions. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per wikipediatrix. It a legitimate topic, and the article is definitely expandable. There's a whole industry dedicated to making Halloween decorations to put on your lawn. The term itself enjoys use in several non-trivial sources; I got 31 Lexis-Nexis hits, most of which are relevant. Zagalejo 20:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A notable and encyclopedic article about a widespread feature seen in many parts of the US at Halloween. "Halloween Yard" gets over 34,000 Google hits. Many millions of dollars are spent yearly by many millions of families to decorate their yards for Halloween. Edison 21:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The Halloween article is already getting to big and this topic is not covered in that article. Seano1 23:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep just to see what coherent expansion it can actually get. It should probably eventually be merged into Haunted house, though. --McGeddon 02:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • If it must be merged it should be merged to trick-or-treating. Haunted house already covers two topics, one of which is related, but not he same. Seano1 23:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.