Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gus Cummins

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --Bubba hotep 22:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gus Cummins

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This is a hoax; the Gus Cummins mentioned on the Talk Page is clearly a different artist. It is claimed that he influenced Joy Division, but he was born in 1966 and they formed in 1976 and disbanded in 1980. How many 10 year olds do you know who have influenced indie music? The globetrotter 14:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete as a hoax. I did the initial speedy on Gus Cummins and was suspicious of the claims of notability, but didn't know enough about the genre to follow up on it. Improbcat 15:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep this article, it is not a hoax at all. Admittedly there may be some errors of fact in the current article. Does that mean that it should be deleted? I hope not. Surely it is better to correct the errors than propose it for deletion? Let us strive for improvement rather than destruction. Let us strive to increase "the sum of human knowledge" rather than decrease it. Incidentally, can I also enquire why it is that "The globetrotter" added the words "bold text" to the end of the current "Gus Cummins" article? Was it an editing error of some kind? If so, would he or she be so kind as to delete the words? --Don City Break 12:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Improbcat. 'Some errors'? He is misrepresented as an entirely different artist (he surely did not win the Henry Moore Prize in 1982 when he was 16), is not a noted ex-Cathedralian, and certainly had no influence over Pigbag and Joy Division- due to him being in his early teens whilst those bands were around. If you can add any information that can clarify anything, go ahead. Don City Break, you have added a link to the talk page that clearly shows a different artist with the same name, have you checked this to confirm? The globetrotter 18:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
On the contrary, you have provided no evidence at all that he did not have an influence over Joy Division and Pigbag. I am utterly certain that he is an ex-Cathedralian, and frankly whether or not he is "noted" is a matter very far beyond the extremely limited capabilities of the present Wikipedia kangaroo court to decide. As for the "two artists" theory, surely it should be self-evident that it is highly unlikely for two people with such an unlikely name as "Gus Cummins" to both be noted artists. The most likely explanation is that there is only one artist and that some error regarding the birthdate has been committed on one web site or another. Perhaps some Wikipedians would like to simply verify this using reliable printed references, not web sites. --Don City Break 10:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. per Improbcat  Smcafirst | Chit-Chat | SIGN  posted at 02:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I can find no sources to establish notability. However, I also note that the initial burden here is not on the nominator to disprove the negative - i.e. find evidence that he is not notable. The initial burden is on those who want to include the article to assert notability and support their assertions through appropriate sources.--Kubigula (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.