Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gummi ship

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Kingdom Hearts. Redirects are cheap. Deathphoenix ʕ 17:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gummi ship

Non-notable item in a video game. Virtually no encyclopedic information in the article that merits being merged into the main article on Kingdom Hearts. — QuantumEleven 08:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete, non-notable. At best, it can be mentioned briefly in the Kingdom Hearts article, but in no way does it deserve its own article (or even its own section). Kalani ^[talk] 08:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to whatever page would be relevant. Danny Lilithborne 11:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Very major part of two of the most successful and important games of all time. Google hits through the roof, and no lack of verifiable sources (It has 3 current Google News hits). Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Are you serious, Andrew? I generally agree with the vast majority of what you say, but you're trying to tell me that the Kingdom Hearts games are "two of the most successful and important games of all-time"?! Yes, they've certainly sold a few million copies each, but I don't think they would be classified as among the most successful, and I'm not sure anyone on earth, including the people at Disney and Square, would consider them among the most important. -- Kicking222 14:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Absolutely. KH1 is among the top 10 bestselling games for the PS2, and probably the top 30 or so in console gaming history. A game is considered a blockbuster success if it sells 1 million copies ever, and KH2 sold that many in its first three days of release alone and is expected to sell 10 million copies worldwide! I guess that "importance" is subjective, but I still stand by it: this is an important series. Here, for example, is an article on how KH pulled Disney out of its cultural slump. I count 130 current Google news stories, and 1,330 stories in Google's News Archive. We can even find (*gasp!*) academic sources for it: It's a case study in Glassner's book Interactive Storytelling: Techniques for 21st Century Fiction, as well as the textbook Technology, Literacy and Learning: A Mulimodal Appraoch by Carey Jewitt. And I won't even get into the fan-community side of things. Trust me: Kingdom Hearts is both influential and important. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak merge into the KH games if necessary, delete otherwise. All but a few sentences of the article violate WP:NOT a game guide. The rest still just relate to a single aspect of a game series. -- Kicking222 14:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as minor part of a videogame series that simply isn't important enough, even in the context of the game, to merit a standalone article. As a fan of the series I have to disagree with Andrew that this is a major part of the game that warrents an article... to me this is like writing a separate article on the "Pooh" mini-games or the KH2 Alantica song system. It's not that I have a strong opposition to a redirect or merge, but in the context of the games this is like a "mini-game" of sorts (that unlocks boards) and with 2 chapters in the game that both have the Gummi Ship system there is no logical redirect target.--Isotope23 14:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I do agree that the Gummi Ship is a fairly notable part of the Kingdom Hearts series, but this is not the way it should be presented in an encyclopaedia. I think the Kingdom Hearts articles do a well enough job describing this aspect of the games, and even if Gummi Ship does deserve its own article, this particular incarnation is pretty much worthless and beyond repair. It's not even pretending to be encyclopaedia content, it's like a how-to or a FAQ. ~ lav-chan @ 15:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect or merge, whichever. Cover this topic in the article for the game if necessary. Recury 16:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Put it into the KH article and eat it. --Aaron 18:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect, whether it's deleted or merged or whatever. This is already covered in Kingdom Hearts and is easily one of the most noted parts of that game in reviews; many reviews boiled down to "This is a neat blend of Disney and Square, but the Gummi Ship sucks." - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per the Man in Black; a mention in the main article ought to do it, and it can always be re-split if that section gets too unwieldy. The article as is is not worth merging anywhere. Sandstein 21:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.