Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guide to Humanity

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 00:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guide to Humanity

See also the parallel discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Guide to Humanity.

This is a personal project / original research. It should be moved back into User:Ewok Slayer's userspace and Delete the redirect --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 13:25, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

  • The article is an attempt to start a collaborative project using the wiki process to create a message that can be sent to extraterrestrial civilizations. Wikipedia is not a free wiki host for the benefit of anyone who wants to set up their own collaborative project to create stuff. It's a specific collaborative project in its own right: the creation of an encyclopaedia. This is most definitely not article namespace material. Uncle G 19:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - wow that is so awesomely cool. Zordrac 00:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree that it is a cool idea. But that isn't a reason to keep the article if it breaks wikipedia policy. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 00:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
      • But how does it break wikipedia policy? Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_free_host_or_webspace_provider says quite clearly, "You may not host your own website, blog, or wiki at Wikipedia. If you are interested in using the wiki technology for a collaborative effort on something else, even if it is just a single page, there are many sites that provide wiki hosting (free or for money). ". I don't see how this breaks that. Zordrac 02:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
        • This page is an something other than an encyclopedia entry. It is a wiki-based collaborative project of another type. The policy you just quoted clearly states that this is not allowed and directs you to where it should be hosted. How is it not breaking it? --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 02:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia not a message board for aliens. Peyna 02:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Send this to Wikipedia:BJAODN once it is axed. Peyna 07:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
    • That is insulting. This isn't a joke, the pioneer plaque was not a joke. If you don't want to contribute, you don't have to.--Ewok Slayer --(User | Talk | Contribs) 08:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
      • It's not that the article is a joke per se; but that when considered in the context of what Wikipedia is, it qualifies as something that ought to be listed there. Consider it an honor. Peyna 08:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • delete under patent nonsense clause two, namely: Content that, while apparently meaningful after a fashion, is so completely and irredeemably confused that no intelligent person can be expected to make sense of it. On the other hand, if its object were to be changed from aliens to A.L.I.C.E., the robot, she does need to understand humans better. Metarhyme 03:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Considering that NASA wrote something similar, I don't see why this is confusing at all. That was, after all, the whole point to the space stations. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 16:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Perhaps an article about contacting aliens or attempts to would be appropriate and where this belongs; or maybe as a section under Extraterrestrial life; but as an attempt to contact aliens it does not belong here. It will never contain any information not already covered at human; humanity; human culture; etc. Peyna 16:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
      • It is true that it reflects material from other articles - however an alien would not be able to read those articles so a pictoral guide is neccesary as a starting point for them--Ewok Slayer --(User | Talk | Contribs) 17:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
        • en.wikipedia is intended for English readers and an English reading audience. If you want to create an alien.wikipedia.org with aliens as an audience, go ahead. Peyna 17:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Wikipedia is the best possible host for this type of article - I understand that it may not meet the defn of what wikipedia is exactly - but where else can this type of collaborative effort take place? This is an article explaining humanity - an encyclopedic subject - it is explained in pictographic terms here so that it can link to many other wiki entries. Ancient languages are impossible to understand without some kind of rosetta stone. In 1000 years that is what english will be. A project like this will live on far past us. This is so cool!--64.107.201.150 20:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as per Uncle G. You can link to wikipedia entries from anywhere on the Web. FreplySpang (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep
    - 1. There is no alien.wikipedia - that's ridiculous
    - 2. This article is an encyclopedic entry. Humanity is a subject worth studying.
    - 3. Wikipedia is the best place for this type of project. The "sum of all human knowledege" needs a starting point to even begin to understand it.
    --So, if it's an article about an encyclopedic subject, what is the problem? You all seem to disagree with the presentation. In the future, aliens or human archeologist will find this database and not be able to interpret it. A pictoral representation is the best way to communicate to them. Think of it as the Main Page of wikipedia a millon years in the furture.--Ewok Slayer --(User | Talk | Contribs) 00:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • An objection under consideration is that you are being creative and original. The big three Policies are NPOV, Verifiable, and No original research to collaborate the encyclopedia wiki into a valuable reference. Is that ridiculous? If you think so you are not alone, but there are former doubters who've noticed that some of the content sparkles and is reliable. Is your idea unoriginal? --Metarhyme 09:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is the English Wikipedia, whose readers are members of the species Homo sapiens and will be able to get this sort of information from the article Human. A Guide to Humanity would be better suited for an Alien's Guide wiki (which may make a good Wikicity). --Wikiacc (talk) 01:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • This does not have to be for aliens. This could be for humans in the far distant future who are trying to understand english. This page will have sections to teach english to someone without knowing what their language is. It belongs in the english wikipedia.--Ewok Slayer --(U | T | C) 17:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Clearly a violation of the wikipedia hosting policy and probably counts as OR too. ManoaChild 01:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • This is not original research. All information was taken from other articles relating to the subject.--Ewok Slayer --(User | Talk | Contribs) 17:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The introduction is original research or something similar, because it does not contain facts, only opinions and statements about what you hope the page will become. It would not be out of place on talk pages or project pages. However, if you move the introduction elsewhere, you have only pictures without context. ManoaChild 03:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Extreme Delete on the grounds of its massive retardation. "And who better to represent humans to the universe than the Wikipedia". This is definitely NOT something for Wikipedia or anyone for that matter to be working on right now. I'm No Parking and I approved this message 17:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Thankyou for your input. Perhaps you could explain the line of reasoning that lead you to the conclusion of "massive retardation"?--Ewok Slayer --(U | T | C) 17:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The idea that with all of the factual errors and bad prose and all of the cleanup that has yet to be done on Wikipedia, that we should be focusing any amount of time to doing something like this is patently absurd. The idea that we are the best representitives of the human race is also patently absurd. Category:EHG is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, absurd. I'm No Parking and I approved this message
  • You do not have to edit this page if you don't want to. You can completely ignore it and it will not disturb you. I only ask you not to delete so that those who want to can continue this project.--Ewok Slayer --(U | T | C) 18:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • They can work on it when it is moved back to your user page. Peyna 18:21, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, unless you can find me references where somthing is called "Guide to Humanity" and is the same thing described in the article. Articles aren't projects, they are about projects. You might want to move this to wikicities or maybe wikibooks. Broken S 18:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I heard that a lot of stuff is being deleted over at wikibooks for not being a textbook. I'd advise Wikicities over wikibooks for this project. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 18:33, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • ¿Compromise?- I could move the project to Wikipedia:Guide to humanity - like other wikipedia projects--Ewok Slayer --(U | T | C) 18:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • How about an Extraterrestrial Life stub? You could furnish links to Radio_source_SHGb02_plus_14a and Panspermia#Disputed and Pioneer_plaque. This film of life - the biosphere - around the surface of earth (which we take for granted) quite possibly contains the entire extent of protoplasmic entities that exists in the universe. Instead of assuming that extraterrestrial life akin to us exists, start an article detailing the efforts to find it. You would get contributors. --Metarhyme 06:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
      • You have a good idea for an article. You should start it :) But that is not what I had in mind for this article.--Ewok Slayer --(U | T | C) 07:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
        • Protoplasmic entities seems to be available. This widens the field from your intial concept. An explanation of how life works as if to an utterly alien intelligence would be useful to humans - an evolution of the Lynd's Middletown approach. I think that jibes with your intent. Still belongs in userspace or uncyclopedia, though Metarhyme 19:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not encyclopædic, at least for English Wikipedia. User who created it also has a history of creating trollish articles and then responding with personal attacks; I suspect this is simply yet another. Perhaps time for a RfC/RfAr. —Psychonaut 13:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as a personal project and original research, without malice to the creator. ESkog | Talk 17:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, orginal research. Might be nifty at Wikicities, though.--Sean|Black 02:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • BJAODN or just plain old Delete more something for uncyclopedia methinks.  ALKIVAR™ 08:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - has been duplicated at Wikipedia:Guide to Humanity. Off to WP:MFD FreplySpang (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Anyone can download the WikiMedia software and launch their own wiki. This page has no place in an encyclopedia. Rossami (talk) 14:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Key policy #1 states, "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Its goals go no further." I don't know whether communicating with aliens is a worthwhile goal, but it's not one of Wikipedia's goals. Chick Bowen 01:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • delete unencyclopedic Pete.Hurd 07:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.