Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Baker

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --a.n.o.n.y.m t 00:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greg Baker

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This AfD process has been further disrupted by a suspected sockpuppet of Jason Gastrich (talk · contribs), Wiggins2 (talk · contribs). See his contributions: they consist almost solely of soliciting others to come to these AfDs and vote keep.

As a result of the serial disruption of AfD and other questionable behaviour, I have raised a user RfC on Jason Gastrich, see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jason Gastrich. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Obscure pastor and college president. The church and college have the same name -- is the college even accredited?

  • Delete. A.J.A. 05:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any evidence that the university where he is president is a diploma mill? I saw pictures of their campus and students. There are degree requirements unlike diploma mills. By the way, you said Mike Randall was the president of a diploma mill and he's actually the president of a regionally accredited university. Therefore, your claims need evidence because you've been wrong once, today. Not every university that you haven't heard or every university that is Christian is a diploma mill. --Jason Gastrich 22:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Potential branchstacking Comment More vote-stacking: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. Blnguyen 02:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Comment: All I do is encourage people to come and vote. If they do or don't and how they vote is up to them. --Jason Gastrich 05:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Comment: The DoEd does not list Faith Way Baptist College as a nationally accredited institution. -Colin Kimbrell 22:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Comment: His university is in Canada. Could this be why? --Jason Gastrich 05:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Possibly; I'm not sure exaclty how Canada handles accreditation. There's also a "Faith Way Baptist College" in Michigan, and that's the one I thought the article was talking about. -Colin Kimbrell 14:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've done a little digging. FWBCC has a website, but it's just an empty front page with a group photo of the '05/'06 student body.[8] There are 78 people in the photo (some of which may be teachers rather than students), which would make this a very small school. According to this page, which can be accessed through an open directory on that page, the college was founded in 1983 and is "an inseparable part of FaithWay Baptist Church in Ajax, Ontario". Their undergrad application is here (PDF), and their grad application is here (also PDF). For the undergrad app, it doesn't look like they require a diploma or GED. As for credentials, this page on the site of the "Canadian Information Centre for International Credentials" states that they are a "Private Non-Profit Institution Recognized under a Private Act" (specifically, the "FaithWay Baptist College of Canada Act, 1992"). The definition for this is on the right-hand side of the page, and it implies that they are not accredited in the way we have been using the term, which would require categorization as either a "Recognized Institution" or a "Postsecondary Institution Authorized to Offer Specific Credentials". Basically, from what I can tell, they're the religious equivalent of a vocational academy, run within within Greg Baker's church. -Colin Kimbrell 15:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Easy Delete - there's absolutely nothing notable about this person. -Harvestdancer 17:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nominator. Hall Monitor 18:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Just being a pastor isn't "notable." Mark K. Bilbo 19:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete this article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people. --Q
  • Strong keep and expand. Notable person and president of a university. Nominator nominated 10 Christian biographies for deletion, yesterday. Good faith is in question. --Jason Gastrich 22:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete like all the rest. More Gastrichcruft. Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 22:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Eusebeus 23:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Guettarda 03:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delele as per nom.--nixie 04:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all as Gastrichcruft. Stifle 18:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Perhaps merge into another article, but this content has a place in wikipeida. Greg Baker is somewhat well known in evangelical circles, and he should at least be mentioned on the wiki. Writing articles about subjects which you are familiar is not wrong. Deletionists just seem to come out of the woodwork some days! Brokenfrog 20:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per almost everyone but Mr. Gastrich and his socks. KillerChihuahua?!? 21:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
This is a false accusation. I'd like a retraction and apology. --Jason Gastrich 05:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. No real claim of notability. -Colin Kimbrell 21:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep university-related topics are notable. Cynical 21:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete does not seem deserving of a dedicated article. People linked to unaccredited institutions should be mentioned on the main page for the institution. bcatt 22:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Why should unaccredited institutions be treated differently than other universities? Wikipedia has 60 lists of people from a variety of universities. I think they should be treated equally. --Jason Gastrich 05:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
They should be treated differently because they aren't the same as real universities. If I wanted to start an unaccredited university tomorrow, all I'd need is a magic marker and a stack of diplomas.-Colin Kimbrell 14:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
This is not to imply that some small number of unaccredited universities may not provide a valuable and useful education, but their lack of accreditation inherently prevents observers from telling the moderately useful ones from the scammers. -Colin Kimbrell
  • Delete per nom. --Devein 23:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --kingboyk 23:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, per nom. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Another non-notable from our most prolific creator of articles on non-notables, Gastrich. FeloniousMonk 22:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable. Does not meet Wiki criteria for article. Arbustoo 00:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.