Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grammaton Clerics (Shadowbane)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammaton_Clerics_(Shadowbane)

This is non-notable and shouldn't be in wikipedia. Aristoi 20:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Based on what? I admit it reads as somewhat non-notable, but I haven't been able to find a proposal/policy on notability of video/pc games, let alone fictional groups within same...Valrith 21:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
That's because they are as notable as your mother's bridge club. Unless they are written about on industry websites (not in forums) by non-members (i.e. unbiased sources), it's unlikely that anyone would find any gaming clubs notable. --Habap 13:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't think that fictional groups within computer games are really notable enough for a general encyclopaedia. Transwiki to a gaming wiki per Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games#Scope of information. Thryduulf 22:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
    "A general rule of thumb: if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable. Keep in mind that video game articles should be readable and interesting to non-gamers; remember the bigger picture."
  • Comment: note that the talk page appears to be another copy of the article. Thryduulf 22:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
  • The content could be valuable to people outside of the game who are considering beginning to play. It gives them an idea of the depth of various groups within the Shadowbane world. This can be informative to someone considering between two MMORPGs and enable him/her to choose one or the other based on how appropriate to their personalities the group descriptions are. Valrith raises a point that there is currently no policy dictating notability of PC games or their contents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.35.246 (talk • contribs)
Delete no sources, no verifiability, no notability. If the clan gets written about in a newspaper, then maybe, but not likely. Why have an article on this group and not the other 250,000 gaming clubs? --Habap 12:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Sadly, forums are not considered reliable sources. The reason we use newspapers or books is that in order to be written about, the subject must be of interest to the general public. Gaming clans are generally only of interest to their own members and some players of the same game. For example, my own group, Sturmgrenadier, had an article for a while, but was, quite frankly, not notable. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sturmgrenadier for details on why that one was deleted. (SG was mentioned in an article in USA Today, which was used for notability, but the article was not about SG.) One of things to consider is.... would your mother read about the group if you weren't the author of the article and a member? --Habap 14:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - At what point does something qualify as "being written about in a newspaper?" It's written about extensively in these forums, which are also public domain. If it were a newspaper specifically published about Shadowbane, would that qualify? And then to what extent is that different from an online newspaper, or online forum in this case, since they're all public domain? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.255.35.246 (talk • contribs) 03:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. No reliable sources and no ability to have reliable sources should always mean that the article dies. Captainktainer * Talk 09:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. I have played Shadowbane on and off since its release and this guild means nothing at all to me. There are no reliable sources, and the guild has little notability. Yamix00 * Talk 21:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per Habap.-- Whpq 13:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.