Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gracia Fay Ellwood

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. With regards to the hopes that it can be improved, deletion of an article by AfD due to it being unsourced does not prejudice creation of a sourced one, and as this article is two very short paragraphs and a list of works I doubt I'd even need to restore the content into userspace for anyone interested in doing that (though if anyone asks, I obviously will). --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gracia Fay Ellwood

Lots of unsourced passive-voice claims of notability here ("considered an expert" -- by who?), but only 141 unique Ghits. Looks nonnotable to me. NawlinWiki 22:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Weak keep in the hopes it may be improved. BTW, I got like 9,000 google hits? Rangek 23:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
    • You're not using google properly. You have to target the search with quotation marks like this - which gives ~140 unique ghits. Bwithh 01:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
      • D'oh. Thanks. I still think there may be some hope for this article.... Have you contacted the creator? Rangek 02:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Lack of verifiable sourcing and substantive detail means that the subject's vague claims to fame/expertise currently fail WP:PROF Bwithh 01:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Created by anon in days before Seigenthaler-gate. Contact may be impossible. Agree with Bwithh. Morgan Wick 02:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep Author of 4 books (Good News From Tolkiens Middle Earth, Psychic Visits To the Past, The Uttermost Deep: The Challenge of Painful Near-Death Experiences, In a Faraway Galaxy [with Lee Vibber & Doris Robin] ). These are all on Google - admittedly with fairly small publishers. Also a few scholarly articles (use Google Scholar) primarily on Evil and Austen. Dlyons493 Talk 02:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - there are a lot of "Tolkien experts" out there. There is also Category:Tolkien_studies that would encompass this sort of thing. Could someone who knows about notability discuss things over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth to help decide where the line should be drawn? There are certainly more widely known and published authors and scholars and journals that would, in my opinion, be more deserving of articles than Ms Ellwood (for example, Verlyn Flieger, the journal Tolkien Studies, and so forth). On the other hand, I had never heard of Ms Ellwood before, and I am grateful to Wikipedia for drawing her to my attention. Would it contravene some ethics code if I kept a copy of this article in my user space so that I can add her to a list of Tolkien fandom "people" in future? Either here or at another wiki, if that kind of subject material is too specialist for Wikipedia. Carcharoth 08:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as non-notable. Ifnord 14:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.