Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grace Lutheran Church Sheyenne, ND

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Sheyenne, North Dakota, where any encyclopedic material (not much, I don't think) can be merged. Black Kite 10:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grace Lutheran Church Sheyenne, ND

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No demonstration of notability; individual Lutheran congregations aren't inherently notable. Nyttend (talk) 15:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Individual churches are rarely notable. Nothing to indicate this is an exception. Jfire (talk) 15:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete and Redirect to Sheyenne, North Dakota. This church is mentioned in that article. I can't find anything that puts this church above the standards in WP:N or WP:LOCAL --Pmedema (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions. -- Eóin (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect per Pmedema --Starionwolf (talk) 02:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep The mason in the article has been mentioned in connection to other buildings. That makes this church unique. Significant Reference on Christ Frosaker --Firefly322 (talk) 04:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • But does it make it notable? I don't see how having a mason who's mentioned elsewhere matters: probably a ton of nonnotable churches have been constructed by people who are mentioned in passing somewhere. Nyttend (talk) 08:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes. Here's my reasoning. For the Mason of this church--Christ Frosaker--to be remembered so many decades later indicates notable craftmanship and stonework. "The Stone Cabin"/Edward's House article Stone Cabin provides a separate example, showcasing Frosaker and his work. --Firefly322 (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • But is the article notable according to Wikipedia's notability standards? Nyttend (talk) 16:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes. WP:UCS would give all of the editors here the discretion to decide upon the article's notability based on the rememberence of its mason Christ Frosaker. --Firefly322 (talk) 18:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I really don't see how keeping this article will improve the encyclopedia. This isn't on the NHRP; and it's not notable just because its builder was mentioned in several places. What about every case argued by Daniel Webster? What about every car built by General Motors? Notability isn't inherited by people (a notable person's child isn't automatically notable), and I don't see how the creation of a notable person (even if he is notable) is any different. Nyttend (talk) 23:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• The stronger comparison to draw would be one of Christ Frosaker and his works with a figure of applied art or architecture. A quintessential example is Frank Lloyd Wright. Looking at the articles on Wright and his works, I see that each of his buildings are given a separate Wikipedia article. Keeping the article on the Grace Lutheran Church Sheyenne, ND improves Wikipedia in a comparable way in keeping separate articles on each of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings. --Firefly322 (talk) 01:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Prove that Frosaker is of great notability (not just notable, but supremely notable in a way that few architects can be, such as Wright), and I'd agree with it. Just having the guy mentioned in passing (not even any significant sources on him) does not make him seem notable in my opinion, and even more the buildings he designed. Nyttend (talk) 02:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Over 100 year old church and built by a notable mason. --Oakshade (talk) 04:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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