Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gröûp X
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Keep Kotepho 18:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gröûp X
This is an internet phenomenon and nothing more. We have already deleted Futuristic Sex Robotz for the same reason. Urthogie 13:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - Just for the record, I voted Keep on FSR. With that being said, I believe that Group X is even more well known than FSR, it's true that many of their songs are internet meme's, and I believe they have more of a "following" than FSR. --lightdarkness (talk) 13:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Allow me to present a better example then. Tourette's Guy was deleted for the same reasons-- and its following was much larger than these guys.--Urthogie 14:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Was it really? I don't see any evidence that Tourette's Guy had a bigger following. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- There's no evidence when it comes to these internet things. Which is why we delete them.--Urthogie 15:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Was it really? I don't see any evidence that Tourette's Guy had a bigger following. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Allow me to present a better example then. Tourette's Guy was deleted for the same reasons-- and its following was much larger than these guys.--Urthogie 14:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep. Well-known internet phenomenon in many circles, and while they've been past the apex of their internet fame, they're not entirely forgotten, either. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. "Well-known internet phenomenon" is an oxymoron. -- GWO
- You mean like all your base are belong to us? - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Most people honestly don't know what that is. We do, they don't.--Urthogie 15:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- What's "we"? 1 billion people use the Internet worldwide. That's everyone and anyone who ever comes on the Internet to hypothetically look up information on the Internet, like on Wikipedia. It's a safe bet that if people are acquainted with Internet trends (and a huge chunk of that billion you could say are), they'll understand the media appeal of the group. Very notable acts like Lady Sovereign started straight off the Internet. MOD 16:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- The majority of wikipedia nerds haven't even seen it. If that's the case, do you expect the world to think its encyclopedic?
- The majority of wikipedia nerds don't know the four members of G-Unit. Does this make G-Unit a non-entity? MOD 19:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- No, but normal people have heard of G-Unit. They've had hit records. AYBBTU has absolutely no recognition factor outside internet geeks, and the penetration there isn't huge. If you stopped people at random in Safeway and asked them who G-Unit were, and what All your base... meant, do you really think the latter would be better known? -- GWO
- I fail to see the point. Stuff that random people at Safeway don't know about isn't automatically non-notable. - furrykef (Talk at me) 14:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- What's needed is a policy or guideline. I'm gonna start working on one, and I want you guys, and everybody to help.--Urthogie 14:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Pointless comment. If you stopped people at random in Safeway and asked them what Sierra On-Line, Mip-mapping, FSAA or Cat 5 is, or who Tim Berners-Lee, Alexey Pazhitnov and Anders Hejlsberg are, they wouldn't know either, yet that doesn't qualify those respective pages for deletion. As stated above, stuff that random people at Safeway don't know about isn't automatically non-notable. If we only listed stuff that people already know about, there would be no point in maintaining an encyclopedia. --82.92.150.193 11:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
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- LOL. Software programmers actually effect things. This is a meme.--Urthogie 12:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I fail to see the point. Stuff that random people at Safeway don't know about isn't automatically non-notable. - furrykef (Talk at me) 14:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- No, but normal people have heard of G-Unit. They've had hit records. AYBBTU has absolutely no recognition factor outside internet geeks, and the penetration there isn't huge. If you stopped people at random in Safeway and asked them who G-Unit were, and what All your base... meant, do you really think the latter would be better known? -- GWO
- The majority of wikipedia nerds don't know the four members of G-Unit. Does this make G-Unit a non-entity? MOD 19:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- The majority of wikipedia nerds haven't even seen it. If that's the case, do you expect the world to think its encyclopedic?
- What's "we"? 1 billion people use the Internet worldwide. That's everyone and anyone who ever comes on the Internet to hypothetically look up information on the Internet, like on Wikipedia. It's a safe bet that if people are acquainted with Internet trends (and a huge chunk of that billion you could say are), they'll understand the media appeal of the group. Very notable acts like Lady Sovereign started straight off the Internet. MOD 16:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Most people honestly don't know what that is. We do, they don't.--Urthogie 15:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep. If Badger Badger Badger can stay on, so can this. MOD 16:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Badger Badger Badger was kept on the basis that:
"An old fart like me needs this sort of stuff. This is hilarious!" "I love the flash animation"
Perhaps it should be afd'd as well... in fact... I'm gonna go do hat.--Urthogie 16:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, OK, cite a fan enthusing about the animation. Oh, and your ass is currently being handed to you on that AfD. Really not seeing the point of these last few AfDs, feels more like a desperate power trip than a level-headed suggestion. MOD 19:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Also, a fairly accurate Google test places the Group's visibility around 293,000 hits. The Last.fm page of theirs lists them as having 6,041 listeners. So 6,000 people are wrong is what you're saying. MOD 19:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well the fact that those fans voted just because they liked it goes to show that noone votes based on policy when it comes to stupid internet shit. And no, an AFD isn't a way of strongarming-- its a way of putting something before the community-- if the community rejects my proposal, then so be it. The only time I get kinda pissed is when people vote to keep it on the basis that it was funny.--Urthogie 11:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- It was kept on the basis of a little more than just that, and you know it. Don't present half truths to get your point across.--82.92.150.193 11:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see how a band who have 2 albums, a live DVD, and who still tour can be considered an internet phenomenon
- We already know its an internet phenomenon. The question is whether its notable because of that.--Urthogie 17:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I think what was meant is more like, "I don't see how [they] can be considered merely an internet phenomenon". - furrykef (Talk at me) 17:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Anyone can release albums. All you need is a CD burner. Unless you shift a hell of a lot of units, or are signed to a notable record label, its just a vanity release, and it doesn't make you notable. -- GWO
- Haha, this is vanity. right. Wikpedia:Vanity guidelines The porblem with vanity articles is that there aren't enough people to edit them so they are inherently POV'd. Look at the number of people saying keep - there is lots of recognition here. SECProto 15:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Anyone can release albums. All you need is a CD burner. Unless you shift a hell of a lot of units, or are signed to a notable record label, its just a vanity release, and it doesn't make you notable. -- GWO
- I think what was meant is more like, "I don't see how [they] can be considered merely an internet phenomenon". - furrykef (Talk at me) 17:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep They are an actual band that performs live and released albums--Polkapunk 19:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep for the same reasons as Polkapunk 88.105.113.237 23:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Urthogie. Danny Lilithborne 01:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Bands are real people too!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.243.147 (talk • contribs)
- Keep. Bang Bang Bang is well-known among high-schoolers. TheJabberwock 21:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Group X is well known outside of just internet geeks. It's far surpassed being a geek-only trend, it's the type of thing that gets shown at parties and tossed around IM networks all the time. BurnHavoc 13:42, 14 April 2006 (EST)
- Speedy keep per community consensus... Nomination withdrawn so as to avoid WP:POINT.Urthogie 17:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think it can be speedily kept unless GWO retracts his "delete" vote. - furrykef (Talk at me) 18:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep: Sure they're a cult phenomenon but they're a reasonably well known cult phenomenon and their popularity extends far outside the internet. If you delete Group X, you might as well go and delete every other cult phenomenon that you're not privy too. --gwax UN (say hi) 18:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep: Gröûp X isn't just an Internet phenomenon. They've had their songs aired on radio stations, and not just for one-time gigs either. --Tokachu 04:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep: Gröûp X are more than just an internet phenomenon, as mentioned earlier. They are also exactly the sort of thing that people will want to find information about because the whole idea behind the band is so puzzling. And even -if- the band was only known on the internet, why does that automatically make it non-notable? YTMND is an internet phenomenon that random people in the street don't know about. Yet nobody would delete the YTMND article.--82.92.150.193 15:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep notable. (what more would i need to say?) SECProto 19:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
