Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goth-punk

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Strong majority for delete and no persuasive arguments for keep. —Cleared as filed. 16:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goth-punk

Non existant genre. Neoglism. Barely any description other than to repeat the Death Rock article. Blatant promoting of bands that have nothing to do with Gothic music or Punk music. Leyasu 01:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Cyde Weys _vote^talk 05:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, non existent genre. Nonsense. --Terence Ong ^Talk 08:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. "Goth-punk" gets lots of Google hits, even adding 'genre' and subtracting 'clothing', but as the two subcultures blend into one another that's not surprising. There's no verification of a clearly defined 'goth-punk' genre. --Last Malthusian 18:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Further to that, only one of the bands listed, Aiden, is defined in their Wikipedia article as 'goth-punk' (which is one more than I was expecting). Moreover, they've only been defined as 'goth-punk' for two days [1], the definition being added by one of the editors of this article.
• On an unrelated note, Leyasu, I'm a bit puzzled by your labelling of the edit which added the AfD notice as 'minor', with no edit summary. I'm sure you had your reasons but bear in mind that it won't be apparent from the editors' watchlists that their page has been nominated for deletion - they could easily assume that you were correcting their spelling :-). I've notified them myself. --Last Malthusian 18:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I must of clicked it by accident and not noticed. Apologies for any confusion this caused. Leyasu 22:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• STRONG KEEP I see no real reason for deletion. Goth-punk? The two seem similar. --- Responses to Chazz's talk page. Signed by Chazz @ 19:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-verifiable. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 19:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete A few issues, first of all edited out the "Bands are closely related to Deathrock" part, because these bands AFI, A7X, MCR, Aiden, and other current Hot Topic style bands have nothing to do with the Goth genre or Deathrock.

It must be noted, Goth-Punk is a phrase sometimes used to describe what Deathrock sounds like but non of the bands in the article.

This article has been heavily edited by the same guy who made the "Gothcore", joke article "BatlordCarcas", which is also nominated for deletion at the moment. He seems to try to incorporate his mallcore leaning into every article that he edits, that is why it did say "Goth-punk" in the Aiden article. - Deathrocker 19:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Overcategorization is not our goal. The article basically says "goth punk is a combination of goth and punk." Yeah thanks, we couldn't have figured that out ourselves. DrIdiot 23:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• strong keep, but rewrite. goth-punk is definitely a genre and its got a long history. whats being talked about on this page is only a small and not very significant part of it. goth punk has been around as a genre ever since Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Damned who are almost always described as goth-punk. oh and over 300000 google hits.

Youve just repeated the Death Rock article. Well done, as that was one of the reasons this make believe genre was recommended for deletion. Leyasu 23:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

the deathrock i know is nothing like what that article says... but since that exists and covers goth-punk, why not redirect goth-punk to death rock? or are 300000 google references wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BL Lacertae (talk • contribs)

Well, this being the Internet, some of those 300,000 pages are pretty certain to be wrong. But carping aside, those Google hits don't prove that goth-punk is what this article says it is, or indeed is a clearly defined genre at all. --Last Malthusian 00:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Both knife and fork are similar too. Should we have an article knife-fork? Non-notable and redundant. Ifnord 23:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Well... --Last Malthusian 00:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete imaginary music genres —Wahoofive (talk) 00:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this fictional genre and all others like it Makenji-san 01:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete made up. Eusebeus 20:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - yet another in a series of hair-splitting, 99%-overlap, teeney-tiny Goth &/or Metal &/or Punk categories. Madman 20:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the term clearly exists. Take AFI or My Chemical Romance for instance.  Grue  14:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
  • According to their own articles AFI are "hardcore" and MCR are difficult to pin down, but described in the infobox as "post-hardcore/rock". Obviously if you were describing them to a friend you might call them 'goth-punk', but a genre isn't just any old adjective that can be used to describe a band. To meet Wikipedia standards of verifiability, it has to be used to describe a distinct category of music by different sources who are all talking about roughly the same thing. (Although it looks like this is a relatively uncontested delete, I mention this now because imaginary genres keep coming up on AfD, and editors can find it difficult to pin down what makes a genre a genre and not an adjective someone made up).--Malthusian (talk) 14:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, too similar to Death rock and the just deleted Gothcore, overly vague, no sources. - DNewhall

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.