Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gnaa, Nigeria (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gnaa, Nigeria

I wrote this stub for reasons which should be readily obvious. But my lack of knowledge is not the determinant of what belongs here. Since the assertions of notability have been removed, I'm nominating this for deletion. — Jul. 15, '06 [14:42] <freak|talk>

  • Comment - I think that all towns have inherent notability, but as the creator nominated it for deletion, I'm not sure that I'd suggest to keep the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by hoopydink (talk • contribs)
  • Keep per the last AfD, and perhaps speedy keep, since this seems to relate to a content dispute about whether the article should mention the Gay Nigger Association of America, which would hardly be its claim to notability anyway (they're 40 people, and this town is 6500). AfDs aren't here to resolve content disputes and the last AfD resulted in a keep because this was a town, not because of the GNAA connection. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 17:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong keep but remove the irrelevant dab link at the top. Punkmorten 19:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • strong keep. Whether the article's creator is thinking better of it or not, it's a real place so deserves to be here. Grutness...wha? 00:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as per arguments from last AfD. It is a pity that the name of this town is the same as the initials of Gay Nigger Association of America, but that is quite irrelevent. The town exists and the page will expand. Geographical information on towns is notable. If a town this size was in Europe nobody would dream of deleting its article. OK information on Nigeria is not easy to get, but its towns are just as important. --Bduke 06:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's a little surprising that the GNAA think that use of the town's name by a troll club enhances, let alone constitutes the sole claim to, the notability of a town of 6500 souls. A good reason not to rely on their judgement of what constitutes notability, methinks. - Nunh-huh 09:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Grutness. Spacepotato 22:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete for lack of verified information; see below. Spacepotato 08:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Grutness and Bduke. 1ne 01:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as an actual location, which surprised me. This article may need protection, though, in case the GNAA decides to come knocking. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 04:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete-- Probable hoax Weak keep -- "Keep" because it is a town. "Weak" because there are many larger Nigerian towns not listed; that and the apparent lack of any Nigerian editors' involvement speaks to the possibility of an underlying agenda unrelated to Nigeria. Don't be surprised if this page becomes a vandal-magnet. --A. B. 04:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    Forgive some original research -- I just pulled out my new map of Nigeria. It lists about 1,500 towns in the index. Gnaa was not one of them. Also, there were no names starting with "Gn" -- perhaps that's not even a common Nigerian spelling? Even if there really is a Gnaa, let's delete it for now and come back to it when we've done those 1500 other towns.--A. B. 20:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
    Looks real: [1]. --Merovingian (T, C, @) 20:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
    Guess again:
    Face it -- we've been had. If you don't think so, I've got a Nigerian widow in Gnaa that would love help moving some money. Smile, speedy delete and move on.--A. B. 21:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
    Unless the link I provided was fabricated by GNAA hackers, I just think that an enterprising troll stumbled across the placename and the group is now using it as an in-joke because it happens to resemble their name. --Merovingian (T, C, @) 21:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
    Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents#Cities and shops says a town should have its own article unless it's a suburb. "Gnaa" (the empty land on Google's satellite photos) would be a suburb of Awe, Nigeria, given its coordinates. Awe, 7 km away, is the nearest town with a dot on the map and a road running through it. Case closed: a. notify the GNAA their hoax-article just got deleted and to pick something besides a suburb next time they invent an imaginary place; b. get started on the Awe, Nigeria article. Cheers, --A. B. 23:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. The NGA geographical names database [2] has an entry for this name, so we don't have to depend on fallingrain. Mapquest shows the coordinates for Gnaa as being just off the road from Awe to Lafia, which seems plausible enough. Spacepotato 23:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
NGA "Places"≠ "Towns or cities:
Thanks for the NGA link; it looks like the NGA geographical names database doesn't just include cities but also "places". See for example the list of place files by country; you'll see they have names for 8,229 places that are undersea features. They list 43,342 places in Nigeria, 31 of which fall within just 10 km (6 miles) of Gnaa's reported location. Are we going to get 43,342 place articles just for Nigeria?
At least we know there is a place by that name, even if it's not a town. I go back to the Google Earth picture for these coordinates and see nothing there. Ditto my Nigerian road map. --A. B. 03:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
One last factoid: Here's an online map of the towns and roads around Awe and Kaor (Kaor is 2 km from the reported location of Gnaa). No Gnaa nowhere. --A. B. 04:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. According to the NGA database, Gnaa is a populated place, which the database explains is a city, town, village, or other agglomeration of buildings where people live and work. The undersea features in the database are of course not populated places. Spacepotato 07:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. The population figure of 6,559 for Gnaa that this article used to have was taken from fallingrain, but this is probably bogus as fallingrain lists the same population figure for Kaor, Nigeria. Gnaa is either an error in the NGA database (which also contains the apparently nonexistent populated place Polfbroekstraat), or a place too small to show up on multimap. Spacepotato 08:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete This article exists currently simply as vanity for gnaa (gay niggers association of america). This article is being used as a support article for an attack article used to harass wikipedians. --Bouquet 19:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
How does this article help GNAA harass Wikipedians? That might persuade me to change my vote.--A. B. 20:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong keep as per Grutness. --Merovingian (T, C, @) 20:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep all verifiable towns regardless of size or population. (This town is verifiable.) Silensor 21:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete as per A.B. based on initial review and subject to change after investigation by myself, but it certainly looks like a fake that needs deletion--gozar 03:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per A.B. This appears to be fake. TJ Spyke 04:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - unless a Keep voter can come up with something better than Falling Rain which cites that this place exists, I think it's entirely reasonable to assume he got his location info from us. There doesn't seem to be any credible source stating that this place exists. (ESkog)(Talk) 17:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.