Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glasgow University Student Television

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. Jayden54 13:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glasgow University Student Television

Glasgow University Student Television (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

NN student TV station per WP:ORG. I refer to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LUST Delete Ohconfucius 03:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• nomination is withdrawn per re-written version. Ohconfucius 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 05:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean/rewrite Founded 1964. the oldest student television station in the United Kingdom. predating most comercial stations. all the content is produced by the station itself on a low budget. The article sucks, needs a good clean up. cloudo 08:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (Capt Jack Doicy)

Why? AfD is not a vote. MER-C 09:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete OMG, WTF, ETC, the whole bloody lot of 'em. (UNLESS there's a substantial rewrite, and possibly then could inlcuded in history of broadcasting in the UK).SkierRMH 09:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep It's really still just a stub, give it some time. Student TV stations deserve to have entries. As Cloudo said, GUST is the longest-running student TV station in the UK, plus it's been a training ground for hundreds of media professionals. If needed, I can provide a small pile of articles on GUST and NaSTA from national newspapers, and the station has sold content to national broadcasters (as per WP:ORG). Some of the comments made about student TV on wikipedia have been really ignorant and offensive. (and why are all the UK student tv stations up for deletion, but not the US ones?) JMalky 11:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Form all stations into one article, but don't delete. Almost every channel available in the UK is listed, just look at Propeller TV for an example. This should extend to student and community channels too, even if it only needs one entry for both of these categories. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 11:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Can I add that GUST is also the second oldest student TV station in the world, beaten only by Ithaca College Television which was founded six years earlier (confirmed through wikipedia and some internet searching, but further proof could be found if needed). However, ICTV is administrated and partly run by paid professionals, so you could legitimately say that GUST is the oldest student-run TV station in the world! So could everyone please think carefully before typing the letters 'NN'? JMalky 14:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Again I agree with JMalky. This article clearly asserts notability scope_creep 17:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - I think the articles could be pruned - much of what has been included is of little relevance to most people - but to argue they should be deleted entirely is excessive - by the standards used so far, half of the articles on wikipedia could be deleted. Historically, and in the context of the development of television both within the UK and in the world in general, the GUST article and others of its kind are invaluable. Also, just visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_University_Society_of_Change_Ringers to see an example of a student society which is of little interest to anyone but those involved in it. I don't think any of these should be deleted - why set a limit on the extent of human knowledge available in these pages? - but if any could be deleted, the GUST and NaSTA pages are the least deserving. And as to the comments of NaSTA being self-lauditary (sic) by ohconfucius, I would respond that the awards are judged by industry figures not directly connected with the stations themselves. One wonders exactly how much actual research is being done on the notability of articles before they are slated for deletion? Cheers mathewannis | Talk | Contribs 04:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete There is no need for this page, or any other student socities on Wikipedia. Incorporate in broadcasting history somewhere and possibly create a page on Student TV Stations in which GUST has a (prominent? it is the first) entry. These stations all have their own websites, they don't need to use Wikipedia for the same purpose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.236.138.242 (talk • contribs)
• Just a question: when will this discussion be considered 'closed'? Also, any more suggestions on how to improve the article? I agree that it needs a clean-up. There is more info to add, but some sections (in particluar the programming section) could be made more concise. JMalky 09:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Well done on the re-write :the article has now earned its place, and nomination is withdrawn. However, I would advise you to be civil and in future not to make personal attacks, whether here on on users' talk pages as these violate WP:CIVIL. Ohconfucius 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.