Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gites in France

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The result of the debate was KEEP. The votes are actually numerically almost equal, which would be a no-consensus keep. But most of the deletes were cast before the initial stub which is now in place was written and are clearly rejecting the adevertising content that was present at the time. All but one vote after the stub would keep — and one of the deleters allows for a "major rewrite" too. Further, the article has been further expanded since even most of the keep votes. -Splash 07:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gites in France

Entire article was written as excuse for external link to tourist web site. --rob 11:50, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

• Strong Delete These articles should not even exist on wikipedia.--Exir Kamalabadi^{Criticism is welcomed!} 12:09, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. --*drew 14:15, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless there's a major rewrite - there is certainly room for a good article on the topic. Dlyons493 14:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Nelgallan 18:07, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Hang on a minute folks!!!. the subject is encyclopedic, (though oddly Gite seems to be about an Indian game, and w:fr:gîte does not exist, (the correct spelling btw is gîte with the accent)). This is a major part of the culture of France, being rented accomodation, run by the company Gites de France [1]. Now granted, this article is pretty terrible, but I'll replace it with a deent stub, so super strong keep Dunc|☺ 21:05, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I agree with you (including the rename), *if* gîte is not a brand, but a common/generic word used in France. I'm a little confused, though, since the web site suggests of starting in 1951 with something "new" and non-traditional. But, surely there were summer homes before than; what were they called? Are all rented summer homes in France "Gites" (as answer.com implies), or is this just a brand? Is this the same as a Dacha? If it's a uniquely French version of Dacha than an article is easily (or as easily) justified. I just want to be sure we're not promoting somebody's brand, I admit ignorance about France on this. --rob 21:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
    • It is a generic name. I think Gites de France act act as an agent for individual property owners. They are of course different culturally from Dachas, but it's the same idea. Dunc|☺ 21:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. By an amazing coincidence, gîte has now appeared at French Wikipedia, but as far as I can tell it's no more informative than my French-Swedish dictionary definition. If someone can confirm that this term is commonly used in English, I will change my vote, but not if it's exclusively French. / Peter ^Isotalo 21:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I wrote it. French vfd is at w:fr:Wikipédia:Pages à supprimer - I can list it for you if you like. And yes, they have enough cultural history, importance and the size to be encyclopedic. Dunc|☺ 22:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not about to get involved in the internal matters of a wikipedia in a language I don't really speak. That it only appeared as an article now is not exactly speaking in favor of its notability, so please try to convince me with more than just assuring me it's encyclopedic. Is it used in English or not? Please show some examples. / Peter ^Isotalo 22:14, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
      • 415,000 Google hits restricted to English, though that in itself is not particularly strong. To reiterate then, the word gîte is used specifically for holiday cottages in France, a subject which has a history and cultural impact that is notable, hence encyclopedic. Dunc|☺ 22:41, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
        • Fair enough. Keep. Peter ^Isotalo 04:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
  • See "gîte" on Wiktionary ;) Korg 00:37, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless the "historic and cultural impact" expanded. Otherwise, possible redirect/merge to Cottage or Dacha. If unable to expand, transwiki to French Wiktionary. --Alan Au 23:26, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Cottage can be tranlated in French by "villa" or in some case by "résidence secondaire". In both case they are not vacation accomodation. A gîte is a type of vacation accomodation usually (but not always) for familly. Also, a datcha is also "datcha" in French, no relation with a "gîte". Romary 09:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Though I don't think I've ever stayed in one (tents are cheaper), they've certainly been advertised as such to british tourists for many years. Not sure I've got any holiday pamphlets from the 80s around to scan though, and that's the kinda thing that has 0 web presence. Not as common a term as 'villa' maybe, but certainly common. --zippedmartin 23:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Like Dunc, please consider that gîte (and "Gîtes de France", a famous vacation accommodations chain) is a major part of the culture of France. Korg 01:03, 15 August 2005 (UTC) (See "gîte" on Wiktionary).
• Keep. Notable. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-15 02:58
• Delete as dicdef once the spam is removed. Vegaswikian 05:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep This is really a subject. The link to "gîte de France" can be removed. The subject can be developed by adding information on "Gîte d'étape" for the hikers and "gîte rural" for vacation accomodation. Romary 09:34, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Oh my god, I must be having a bad day! Anyway, I can honestly say that Gite (hat over the i) is a word in day to day use here in France and does, indeed, refer to a nationwide letting of cottage-type places. The article is a bit naff though and could do with a less spammy re-write. --Marcus22 15:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep From time to time, over the years, I have actually wondered just what a gîte is. I know it's some sort of holiday let thing, but how does it work? Are they owned by companies, or by individuals who stay there themselves? I have this notion that they are rural things, usually converted farmhouses - but is that true? Can there be gîtes in towns? And why are they called "gîtes" - a marketing thing? Is there a distinction between gîtes and other holiday homes? When did this gîte thing come about? I hope the article can be expanded so that I can get some answers.--Finbarr Saunders 22:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

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