Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginni Barlow

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 21:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ginni Barlow

Ginni Barlow (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Not notable. Appears to be a small time theatre actor. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep Has extensive experience in British television and in the West End, ie the top level of theatre. Dominictimms 14:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Has IMDB page with 6 entries, has had long-running parts in 2 soap operas, as well as notable stage experience. PatGallacher 17:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
    • If you don't mind my asking, why did you create this article? Is this person a relative of yours or something? Burntsauce 18:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
      • No, we are not related, and you should assume good faith. PatGallacher 19:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
        • Good faith is a two-way street, always assume the assumption of good faith. I asked because I couldn't imagine why else anyone would create an article about such a non-notable subject. If not related, do you know this actress personally? What was your inspiration? Burntsauce 20:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable. IMDB looks like small bit parts to me. She is not mentioned on Take the High Road cast list. IMDB does not state number of episodes and only states 1980. 3tmx 21:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Pat shouldn't you identify yourself as the author of the article?? Wikipedia describes the other soap opera she was in as "short lived" so i'm not sure where you got "long running from" 3tmx 21:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Short lived is open to interpretation, it did last 3 years. As for the other soap, the Wikipedia article for this only lists the cast for the first and last episodes, it does not include anyone in between in a show that lasted 12 years. It was more than a bit part. PatGallacher 23:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete for insufficient notability. Shoester 06:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. The few roles that IMDb mentions are non-notable bit parts, and even some of those appear to be questionable. Burntsauce 18:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
    • What evidence do you have that these are all bit parts? This is contradicted by some information in the article. And what do you mean by "questionable"? Are you questioning the accuracy of the IMDB? PatGallacher 19:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
      • The only evidence I have are the descriptions provided by IMDb. Is there any evidence to the contrary? Burntsauce 20:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
        • The IMDB does not describe her part in Take the High Road as a bit part. PatGallacher 09:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Pat are you seriously saying that roles such as "receptionist" and "Woman at Grotto" are not bit parts?? 3tmx 20:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

In fact someone without an account signing themselves ginnibarlow has been making contributions to various take the high road related pages. Doesn't the fact the person (if they are who they say) was involved in the show call into question ALL their edits to the related pages and the four "take the high road" pages they created?

3tmx 20:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

And IMDB doesn't describe it as a "significant part" either, in fact it does not provide dates, so as a citation its fairly poor. 3tmx 20:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, I am not disputing that some of these parts may have been bit parts, but I understand it that her parts in Garnock Way and Take the High Road were not, they were long-running parts. Secondly, it is possible that Ginni Barlow herself has been editing the Take the High Road article, although I was not aware of this until you mentioned this. However, if you look at the changes you will see that it has just been a few limited tidy-ups, I see no grounds whatsoever for suspecting that these are bad faith or erroneous edits. I have seen a number of Wikipedia articles which have been edited by people with some personal involvement e.g. Nigel Short, Koo Stark, Margaret Curran and Tashi Tenzing, this is not necessarily illegitimate. PatGallacher 00:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete The article seems to have been almost entirely cribbed from Ginni Barlow's bebo entry[1], which is not a suitable source for an encyclopedic article. There is only the one (possibly suitable) independent source in the article (tv.com) that attests that she was a member of the cast of Take the High Road. It seems to me that it is not possible to find any suitable sources online to either verify her work or her notability. The author of the article should consider starting afresh, from scratch, in his userspace by amassing reliable, independent sources and then drawing on these sources to write the article. "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." A notable actor will have been written about in articles, profiles, reviews, even books perhaps. Find these then write the article. --Malcolmxl5 12:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination --Hooperbloob 04:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.