Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gibbage

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The result was Keep - Nomination Withdrawn. Icestorm815 19:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gibbage

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No notability asserted. Miremare 22:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Miremare 22:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Despite looking decidedly unpromising, I found a Game Tunnel review, GameSpot list PC Zone UK as having reviewed it (!?!) and there's a GamaSutra article about the game, it's in the Independent Game Festival 2007. There's 3 things here - 1) the game itself, 2) the website and 3) the developer's lack of experience in developing games and the broader discussion about indie developers. There's various other sources kicking about which may or may not be usable/up to this standard, but I'm pretty sure there's enough for the article about the game (with the level information chopped, blegh).Someone another 12:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the massive laundry list of pop-culture references. Someone another 13:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, possible notability... However, ign's claim may be wrong, as a search on the official PC Zone site [1] yields no results. Unfortunately, no one on the Magazine project has that issue, so we're a bit stuck with that. Gamasutra is certainly reliable, but I'm not sure about gametunnel.com, as it seems to be a site that specifically covers independent games. Whether that's an issue or not I'm not sure, but it seems that any "popular" independent game is going to be featured there whether or not it's covered by the mainstream gaming press. What do you reckon on that? Miremare 17:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The PC Zone review is also listed at GameRankings, with a score of 71%. The game author writes for the magazine sometimes so the review was probably placed as a favour (though it wasn't given a silly score of 98% or whatever, so I count that as perfectly OK for reliability). Game Tunnel does just review indie games, but I'm quite happy that their reviews are reliable and that a review from them provides some notability. It is an actual review rather than a selling piece, and GT does have reviewing standards overseen by the webmaster. If nothing else the PC Zone score can be cited to gamerankings and the GT review can also be used to write about the game's reception, and the development section can be written with gama sutra and self-references.Someone another 10:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep pending investigation into the magazine issue. Unavailability of a certain source to Wikipedia editors at a certain time does not tell us anything about notability. The other sources look good. User:Krator (t c) 20:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Dan Marshall did a series of development diaries for PC Zone. Gamasutra interview him about his entrance into the 2007 IGF competition, but the game wasn't shortlisted for any awards.[2] - hahnchen 18:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, John254 03:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Concur with previous comments about magazine and gaming media-in-general coverage. --Gwern (contribs) 16:09 24 October 2007 (GMT)
• Weak keep. It's at least somewhat notable as per above (direct reference to the PC Zone UK issue would be nice though), and after shortening the introduction and adding a section about its development (the fact it was created by only one person seems to be the most notable feature), I can see an adequate encyclopedic article. --Allefant 16:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Nomination withdrawn sorry, this escaped my watchlist somehow. Anyway, PC Zone seems to have featured it on more than one occasion, and there's the other web sources, which Someone another says are likely reliable, so away with this AfD. It would still be nice to see the PC Zone coverage referenced in the article though if anyone can do this. Miremare 18:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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