Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghost Box

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, discounting IPs. --Sam Blanning(talk) 13:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Box

Non notable. By own admission "As of 2006, there are only four different artists released on the label, two of which are the musical projects of the labels creators".
Also nominating:

All are just as non notable (you could even speedy a couple under A7), all created by the same user who has few contributions elsehwere (and none of them recent). -- Steel 16:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete all, none of the articles show notability. Author's claim to notability is that a label may be interested. Nuttah68 16:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all None of the bands have any notability (and pretty much all four of the articles on the bands could be speedied per A7), the label is non-notable because it started two years ago and has zero significant artists, and the genre "hauntology" is obviously made up (and almost solely credited to this label and its artists). -- Kicking222 16:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep (though i am the author) Hauntology is not a made up genre, google for 'hauntology music' gets over 800 results. saying its made up just exposes your ignorance!
  • Warp Records recognizes them as part of the emerging Hauntology scene. Which, it specifically notes, is what is notable about them...
  • Hauntology is an emerging genre, and it takes a split second on google to confirm that. Just because you havent heard of something, doesn't mean it doesnt exist.
  • Also, I dont really see the problem in that the article takes negligable server space, and no-one will search for hauntology or Belbury Poly without specifically looking for these articles, so what is gained from deletion.
  • Ghost Box the article now makes it clear why it is notable.
  • Searching '"Ghost Box" Music' gets 51,000 google results - I'm yet to find one not related to them.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.130.6 (talk • contribs)
  • Commercial sites, eBay, etc. And in terms of how much media coverage they're getting [1]... -- Steel 18:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • And now Ghost Box just reads like an advert. -- Steel 18:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I found the Hauntology article useful and Ghostbox is one of my favourite indie labels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.66.123.255 (talk • contribs)
  • Note: This is the user's first and (currently) only edit. -- Steel 18:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • ok I've been asked to make clear why Hauntology is notable, so here goes:
  • Searching Google News for Hauntology gives a very relavent professional press result.
  • Googling 'Hauntology' gives 16,000 results
  • Googling 'Hauntology Ghost Box' gives almost 250.
  • Googling 'Hauntology Music' gives almost 900.
  • I have added further examples of Hauntology to the page.
  • Warp Records have hailed Ghost Box as pioneers of "the emerging Hauntology scene."
  • Hauntology is being mentioned in the press such as the Seattle music review and stylus magazine: (http://www.stylusmagazine.com/reviews/the-focus-group-belbury-poly/hey-let-loose-your-love-the-willows.htm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr zoidberg590 (talk • contribs) Note: User:Dr zoidberg590 is the creator of these articles and is the same as User:81.154.130.6 above. -- Steel 21:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm beginning to think that hauntology may be vaguely notable, but the rest certainly aren't. 250 Google hits isn't very much, especially when half of them are to blogspot. -- Steel 21:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
      • That's because the 250 are for 'hauntology ghost box' a relatively specific search! "ghost box" gives 63,000, Hauntology; 16,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.117.102 (talk • contribs)
        • Yeah, but far from everything that comes up is to do with this Ghost Box. [2]. -- Steel 08:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
        • But 39,000 are for '"Ghost box" music label' they can't easily be not to do with it.
  • Keep Useful in defining a musical genre.  Funky Monkey  (talk)  15:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Deathphoenix ʕ 13:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete All, complete lack of importance / notability. None close to WP:MUSIC / WP:BIO. Deizio talk 16:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep all - major 8-page article in The Wire this month on Hauntology with a significant text portion and many illustrations specific to this label. Ac@osr 17:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all None of the articles show notability, not a recognised musical genre, dubious whether it is even music, a bastardised rip off of more established forms of music, even a possible hoax. --The Crying Orc 18:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment - definitely not a hoax, unless you intend to show that the single most significant publication in the field has been had.Ac@osr 21:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I find this a useful article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.255.250.52 (talk • contribs)
    • Note: This is the user's only edit.
    • Please note that "it's useful" is not a reason for keeping the article. -- Steel 20:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Yeah we certainly don't want useful articles in wikipedia...Dr zoidberg590 15:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment - indeed it isn't but it shows it has been looked up by someone seeking information on the genre. Ac@osr 21:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Depends whether you AGF or not. -- Steel 21:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment - Well I came across this article while looking for info on some musical stuff. The article guided me to search for some other music classified as hauntology. OK I realize the term is not widely used, but to me it makes sense, it is referential and I can relate to it (knowing some of the musical stuff that's being denoted as hauntological). I will definitely go look for that The Wire issue describing this genre of music in more depth. Meaning - I got the info I wanted and even managed to widen my knowledge in the field -- isn't that the purpose of encyclopaedic sources? 84.255.250.52 05:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Kat.
      • Surely an major 8-page article on this exact subject must ensure it's kept, right? Dr zoidberg590 15:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all per lack of notability. A record label that was founded in 2004 and has released seven albums by four artists doesn't quite cut it. As for music "genres", Wikipedia shouldn't participate in promoting neologisms, even if some magazine does. There are thousands of record labels and non-notable bands that claim to have invented a genre of their own. Also, since all these articles were created by the same user, the whole thing smells like spam. Prolog 23:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
  • How could this possibly be considered spam? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.140.218.217 (talk • contribs) .
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.