Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gersh College
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Merge and redirect to Daemen College. --PeaceNT (talk) 14:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Gersh College
Outdated crystal ball article. As near as I can tell, this never happened as advertised, and the Gersh Academy has a relationship with a college, but does not have it's own college. Beeblbrox (talk) 06:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Heloo? did I do something wrong? Am I the only one who knows this AfD exists somehow? Four days and not one vote, sheesh. Another candidate for my idea of a tumbleweed corollary to WP:SNOW. Beeblbrox (talk) 18:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- WP:SILENCE? Skomorokh 00:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Heloo? did I do something wrong? Am I the only one who knows this AfD exists somehow? Four days and not one vote, sheesh. Another candidate for my idea of a tumbleweed corollary to WP:SNOW. Beeblbrox (talk) 18:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep and improve. This has the makings of a suitable article, or at worst it will be merged somewhere. Progress on this article is limited because it is not the sort of place to be associated with wikipedians. Considering this, deletion would be an unfortunate exercise of systematic bias. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Delete unless reliable sources can be found that verify that there is any such college actually open for business, rather than "announced". SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 19:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Daemen College. It apparently has opened, but according to this, had a planned enrollment of 15-20 students. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding that. It looks to me from that article that it is not really a stand-alone institution, but rather a special program at Daemen College. It seems to me that a rename to The Gersh Experience at Daemen College and a redirect is the answer. Beeblbrox (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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- The article is not a crystal ball, it is not making predictions, but is based on reliable sources. There are more sources out there, found by google. The bias I alluded to has to do with editor bias. Other colleges are more likely to have students or alumni who are wikipedians. I felt that this AfD was motivated by impatience for improvement, but I had misread the article, I thought it was a closed college, not a yet-to-be opened college.
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- I don’t agree with SHEFFIELDSTEEL that a college needs to be opened for it to have an article. The appropriate criterion is that sources exist now.
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- I’d prefer not to see a merge to Daemen College as Gersh College is distinctly different. Note that it has a special claim of notability: “For the first time in the history of special education, children with neurobiological disorders can …” from [1] --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- The source you are citing is a primary source, the Gersh Academy website. Notability is established by coverage in reliable third party sources per WP:NOTE and WP:RS. Beeblbrox (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a primary source. The article's weakness is lack of secondary sources. However WP:N doesn't insist on secondary sources, allowing for other objective evidence of notability. The quote is certainly a claim of notability, and I don't think the truth of it is in question. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- The source you are citing is a primary source, the Gersh Academy website. Notability is established by coverage in reliable third party sources per WP:NOTE and WP:RS. Beeblbrox (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I’d prefer not to see a merge to Daemen College as Gersh College is distinctly different. Note that it has a special claim of notability: “For the first time in the history of special education, children with neurobiological disorders can …” from [1] --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Delete this really doesn't seem to be the kind of institution that is inherently notable. No proof is given for it being notable by sources being presented. Nyttend (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect to Daemen College#Gersh Experience. This is a tertiary, degree programme running at Daemen College. Though separate from Daemen, 85% of the faculty are from Daemen - see here. There is sufficient connection to make Daemen College a sensible home. I would add that a Gsearch on Gersh Academy provides plenty of sources for the controversy over the purchase of the premises described in the article - see here and here for example. If those premises ever opened as a tertiary college then the merged section can be split out again. TerriersFan (talk) 16:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
