Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General (Freeware game)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus The article will be Kept by default. A merge can always nbe done, if appropriate, without an AfD. Please consider adding any of the references cited here to the article. DES ^(talk) 21:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General (Freeware game)

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No independent references per WP:V; only claim to notability is that 'it is popular in Russia'. Prod was removed last August, reasoning on Talk:General (Freeware game) appears to boil down to 'because I like it.' Marasmusine 07:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Marasmusine 07:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:V, it states 'A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject', the russian website given as the external link hasnt been updated since March 2003, and is clearly a promotional site for the game. Willow177 08:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep or merge somewhere My Russian is crap but I was able to find a few newspaper articles about one of the creators Dmitri Gusarov (who is now running his own software company, I guess) in which the game is discussed [1][2] The parent company Newgame Software themselves seem to be notable as well, as well; "General" is mentioned as being their first product. [3] If I have time to start an article about them, merging and redirecting to there might be a better solution too ... cab 10:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletions. cab 10:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I've had a quick look through Babel Fish [[4]] and I think you're right in that there's enough material there for an article on Gusarov; and such an article would be a good location for information on General until more specific references turn up. Thanks, Marasmusine 13:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. The fact that I've heard of the game and even played it once or twice probably affects my perspective on its obscurity, but I think it has enough notability to squeak through. Of course, I thought Dice Wars was notable too. --Groggy Dice T | C 20:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Sunshine Man 15:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. No significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Andre (talk) 07:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.