Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gator Country

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Coredesat 07:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gator Country

Gator Country (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Band with a demo and one EP, fails WP:MUSIC. Would have listed it for speedy, but it's been here since December. Corvus cornix 23:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete A7, no assertion of notability, per nom. A demo and an EP do not satisfy WP:MUSIC. Also fails WP:V, only source is their website.. Rackabello 23:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I retract my previous vote, I wasn't aware that this was completely overwritten and sabotaged by another editor. Still needs some expansion, and an addition of more verifiable sources but notability concerns have been addressed. Rackabello 20:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. The article was about another band when it was nominated. It was originally a southern rock band, then a punk band at nomination time, and then returned to the southern rock band (via a large number of undo's) by the original creator who posted at Wikipedia:Help desk#How do I create two pages from a highjacked page?. It's possible both bands are non-notable. I don't edit music but just wanted to point out the problem. PrimeHunter 00:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• This trainwreck appears to include Gator Country (from Orange County, CA) too. Can someone with a later bedtime than me hopefully

clean this up? --W.marsh 03:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• I am the original creator of the page. On 09-Aug I noticed it was completely rewritten to discribe another band. After seeking help I worked to disambig both band's pages by creating a new page for the new band then restoring the original page via undos. I also changed the referring links. I also presented hangon arguments that seem to satisfy "assertion of importance" in that articles discussion page. Also user DarkFalls indicated on the history page that it "does have assertion". However the AdfM is still on the page. Can it be removed? Karstdiver 15:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The speedy deletion template {{db-band}} was removed after review by DarkFalls [1] who estimated the article doesn't satisfy the special Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion (which allows deletion without debate in certain cases). That doesn't prevent the possibility of deletion after this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion debate. That is another process and {{AfDM}} will only be removed if the article is not deleted at the end of this debate. Debates usually last around 5 days. If you want the article to be kept then post a comment here starting with "Keep" and giving your argument(s). It's best if you can give convincing evidence that the band satisfies WP:BAND. PrimeHunter 16:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Maybe the speedy delete should be moved to the new Gator Country (from Orange County, CA) page? Karstdiver 15:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• KeepComment I have addressed both WP:BAND and WP:V on the talk:Gator Country page as follows:

For WP:Band: Referencing page WP:MUSIC "Criteria for musicians and ensembles 6. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." Justification Response: Per item 6 referenced just above the band Gator Country should not be marked for deletion because the band is made of members that were once members of notable band Molly Hatchet (for example vocalist Jimmy Farrar). For WP:V: I included several links to other sites mentioning the band on talk:Gator Country in an attempt to meet WP:V. I'm not sure this rises to the level of fact-checked sites but at least there is more of a web presence than just the band's own website. Karstdiver 17:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep CommentFor WP:V: The The Boston Globe Associated Press obituary report for Duane Roland mentions his membership in the Gator Country band. The Boston Globe and Associated Press should be considered fact-checked sources. Karstdiver 17:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Each editor is only allowed to say Keep/Delete once, so I have striken your second time. You are allowed to post additional arguments but start them with "Comment" or something else. PrimeHunter 22:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. I now understand WP:ADF and realize my participation has not been per process. I will endeavor to improve an actions in this process. Therefore I have change my initial entries to comments and added a rewritten keep entry. Karstdiver 01:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep As the page's original creator I submit the following arguments towards not deleting the subject page.

The page in nomination was originally created Dec-2006. The page was good faith highjacked July-2007. The highjacked version of the page was nom for {{db-band}} and {{AfDM}} on 09-Aug-2007. The original content and highjacked content was restored and created 09,10-Aug-2007 by the original editor (who a was a WP:NEWBIE to the WP:AFD at the time this page underwent near simultaneous nomination and highjack recovery).

• • Keep Argument #1 The page's history timeline shows it was the highjacked version that was nominated for deletion and not the original version. Therefore this should be an WP:ADF on the highjacked version which was created as Gator Country (from Orange County, CA) during the page's originator's attempt to restore the original page on 09,10-Aug-2007.
  • Keep Argument #2 WP:MUSIC criteria for ensembles #6 is met by Gator County members being members of notable band Molly Hatchet.
  • Keep Argument #3 WP:V criteria for verifiability is met by several web presences (See talk:Gator Country).
  • Keep Argument #4 WP:V criteria for verifiability is met by the page's containing an obituary report being reported by fact-checked sources.
  • Keep Argument #5 The original version asserted WP:MUSIC importance by mentioning founding members of a notable band. See page's "...serveral founding members of..." text. Therefore {{db-band}} was misapplied.
  • Keep Argument #6 The nomination of {{AfDM}} was caused by the nomination of {{db-band}} and is therefore misapplied because Argument #5 shows the {{db-band}} was misapplied.
  • Keep Argument #7 The original nomination of {{AfDM}} may have been misapplied because applying Before nominating an AfD step "Click "What links here"" would have shown how the page was used (once for a Southern Rock band and once for a Folk Punk band). Therefore a process of Alternative to deletion such as Editing or Discussion should have been used.
  • Keep Argument Summary The orginal content mets WP:V and WP:MUSIC and does not warrent {{db-band}} and {{AfDM}} nominations.

Karstdiver 01:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Imagine a senario where a good page is completely overwritten by questionable content. It then gets nominated for speedy deletion. Then, unbeknowest to that page's editors, it gets speedily deleted. (Not all editors can log in everyday to check for overwrites.) Therefore, following WP:ADF gets perfectly good content deleted. Karstdiver 01:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, appears to meet WP:BAND, although some independent references would not go amiss. Nuttah68 13:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Karstdiver. --Moonriddengirl 13:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Karstdiver.--Mnemnoch 04:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.