Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Newlove

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gary Newlove

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Unfortunate, but non-notable crime victim whose story is likely to be forgotten in a few weeks Asian Parents, Western Upbringing (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Significant number of google hits. This was a very big story in the UK, and has been at the forefront of the media's campaign to spotlight yob culture in Britain. I don't think it's going to get forgotten about that quickly, no less that Stephen Wright, Mark Dixie or Levi Bellfield. Asian Parents, Western Upbringing (talk) 01:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Article in its present condition does need a lot of work. Asian Parents, Western Upbringing (talk) 01:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Your AFD does not make sense. You start by saying "non-notable, forgotten in a few weeks" which leads me to think you want to delete. Then above you sound like you are positive and want to keep the article. It looks like you are contradicting yourself. _└^and-rew_┘^┌_talk^┐ 01:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. I started the AFD in the interests of fairness, even though I am for keeping the article. The reasons I stated for proposing deletion were those of whichever editor added the prod tag in the first place. I guess I didn't make that clear. Asian Parents, Western Upbringing (talk) 08:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Although a tragedy it is not notable for any special reason. There have been random killings of memebers of the public before and high press coverage doesn't make it a notable subject. Also the article says "famous in the UK for being beaten to death by an alcohol-fuelled mob of youths" although true I think the use of words are disrespectful to his memory, especially "famous in the UK for being beaten to death". The press coverage is mainly due to a much larger political arguement about law and public order, especially youths intimidating members of the public. _└^and-rew_┘^┌_talk^┐ 01:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Four references from reliable sources. See http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Gary+Newlove%22+site%3Atelegraph.co.uk for some more. Unlikely to be forgotten in the near future, given the agendas of some British newspapers and politicians. --Eastmain (talk) 05:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E. Although regrettable, this type of event is rather commonplace. GlassCobra 07:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per GlasCobra and WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. Regretable and sad event that is, however, news. I declined speedy on this as G4 did not apply (previously this was speedied) but I still think it fails under BLP1E Pedro :  Chat  08:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - I had this speedy-deleted in one of its previous incarnations because the subject didn't seem to meet the notability criteria. Tragic as this event was, and despite the press coverage, the subject has a single claim to notability that is not especially significant in its social impact. - Fritzpoll (talk) 09:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete a tragic story but not notable. Dreamspy (talk) 13:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons given by GlassCobra and Pedro. Despite having sources, an article about this death is not notable. • Anakin ^(talk) 15:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Regrettable, as it is. I do understand that this case involving Gary Newlove did become somewhat registered across the British media for a long period of time, and it was exemplified in the newspapers for quite a long time also. However, an insufficient assertion of notability otherwise towards the circumstances of his death culminates in a failure of the guidelines/policies quoted by others above. Rudget. 18:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete I deleted an earlier incarnation as well, mainly because it was written as an attack article. The present version is more neutral in tone, but for the article to stand on its own, the subject should have more notability than the manner of his death. Acroterion _(talk) 16:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. I'm not exactly sure on what basis this person is considered not notable. They have a significant number of google hits. A broad range of news sites have wide coverage of this man and the incident involving his death. It is also extremely relevant towards the social impact of this case and regarding the issue of yob culture. At the very least anyine searching for his nbame (which I suspect will be a fair few) are owed a redirect to Yobbo. Asian Parents, Western Upbringing (talk) 11:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment Take a look at WP:GOOGLE. The raw hit count of an item in google does not say anything about its notability. Considering that this is not the only case of its kind, I don't believe that an article on this individual tells us a great deal about the social phenomenon that you describe. I would oppose a redirect to Yobbo on the ground that Gary Newlove is not another term for Yobbo, and the article Yobbo describes the meaning of the word., This wouldn't make much sense as a redirect in my view. - Fritzpoll (talk) 13:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.