Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gargantua (Half-Life)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect. There has been an effort already undertaken by Pixelface and others to merge the content. The consensus here is rather split, about 1:1 (weighted) to delete or keep/merge. That results in a non-consensus that defaults to keep. Since the "keep" stances are primarily merge, and since the merge has already been done...I'll finish the redirects (and keep the history of each new redirect intact per GFDL.) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Update - Redirects are complete to their respective sections of the parent article. Page histories intact at the redirect pages. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gargantua (Half-Life)

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Contested prod, and someone reverted the redirects on all of these. Cruft with no reliable third party sources or references. Fails WP:FICT. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 21:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete Some just delete the attack methods part, because that info isn't really important, but keep all of the other info.
  • Merge into a new list, List of Half-Life universe creatures; I've been wanting to do this for some time, but never got around to it Sceptre (talk) 22:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per Sceptre, but remove the original research while doing this. --Nick Dowling (talk) 01:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete all - Entirely in-universe information, primarily WP:SYN derived from the game. No sources cited whatsoever. Removing the OR would leave nothing but a list of names, which isn't worth creating a new List article over. -- Kesh (talk) 01:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete all. Wikipedia is not game guide. Zero Kitsune (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete all as gameguide. Paddy Simcox (talk) 14:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete all: as unsourced cruft. Fortathenry (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per Sceptre and Nick. Web searches turn up crazy numbers of hits and even a few news sources. Given the notability of the parent, I think one page for all of these makes sense. Hobit (talk) 20:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete all Wikipedia is not a game guide Nothing444 21:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per above. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment cruft isn't a valid reason for deletion and those commenting on the game guide part probably should explain what part of that these articles are in violation of. Hobit (talk) 23:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someoneanother 23:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I didn't mean just merge these articles in. Also do the same with Antlion. There's a wealth of information in the book Half-Life 2: Raising the Bar (which IIRC, I have). Sceptre (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge all into a new article. I already have the information archived from a rough merge provided by David Fuchs in my userspace and I'm just trying to find the time to carry out the work. I'm happy and really keen to work with Sceptre on a properly sourced collaboration on this, along with any other interested parties. Gazimoff (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - related AfD discussion can be found here, where the initial merger proposal was discussed.Gazimoff (talk) 01:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • At worst merge to a new list; Half-Life is one of the most important game series ever, and there are numerous strategy guides, primary sources, and the book that Sceptre mentions that can be used to source the articles. The amount of information for each character can be decided as a content issue within the article. — brighterorange (talk) 00:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Most of the other creatures in Half Life have their own articles. Headcrabs, Garguantias, etc. If not keep merge with the headcrab article. BWF89 (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge. Stuff from the games is notable, but collectively, not individually. In other words, the content is legitimate for WP, but there's no reason to have it at independent articles. Croctotheface (talk) 02:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge, I know I could improve this article but after working on Hazardous Environment Combat Unit it was deleted anyway. I thought you already merged these David Fuchs? Cruft is not a valid reason for deletion. And who gives a damn what WP:FICT says? --Pixelface (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete (preferably) or Merge. None of these have any arguable real-world notability which could justify their own articles. (Least of all the chumtoad, which doesn't even have any appearances in the Half-Life games except as an Easter Egg!) I'm just glad to see the article on the carnivorous leech no longer exists. :) Terraxos (talk) 03:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I see no real reason to delete this article. It follows Wikipedia necessities that mimic many other video game monster, and also has a reason to exist and inform. No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.39.33 (talk) 02:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.