Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ganguro

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ganguro

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Notability and Verification. I can only find links that are either Wikipedia or totally laden with ads, which make it impossible to verify. Can't find WP:RS links. Has been tagged since Dec. 2006 and no one has found sources., including me. Pharmboy 17:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep This Ganguro stuff is a huge cultural movement amongst teenagers and young adults in Japan, just like Hiphop is in other parts of the world. While it is truethat more sources are needed, googling for "ganguro" brings up a good number of usable pages. There are also articles to be found in the archives of nytimes.com. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 20:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
The problem was googling found zero sources that met WP:RS, and I have been looking for a while. That is the problem. It might be notable, but I can't find any PROOF that meets policy. Just because it is cool or "obviously notable" doesn't cut it. Pharmboy 22:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Looked into it a little closer. You are right, results found on google are no good, and the 4 results the times gave me (which kind of gave me a false impression) are worthless as well. I guess the subject will become more popular out of asia / related communities somewhen in the future and an article can then be created with all the sourced needed, so i'll go with a weak delete. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 01:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This may be one of those things that needs to be written in the japanese version, then ported to english wikipedia. I believe the trend existed, and hoped someone would perhaps find some reliable sources to justify keeping the article, but excepting you I am just seeing people arguing KEEP for emotional reasons with nothing to back it up. Its a bitch to find foreign language sources that meet WP:RS. It isn't that I want it deleted, but feel it MUST be since no one has been able to find those sources for a long time. Pharmboy 00:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Needs tidying up, but is notable enough to keep. DAJF 21:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable cultural phenomenon, try Google Books, which isn't exactly a new invention by now. cab 00:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Or better yet, try the books already cited in the "References" section". cab 00:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep Notable cultural phenomenon in Japan, and - to a far lesser extent - in some other Pacific Rim regions. Grutness...wha? 00:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. There are reliable sources noted in the article, they just aren't online. Dekimasuよ! 09:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Fg2 10:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Above: This Ganguro stuff is a huge cultural movement amongst teenagers and young adults in Japan -- a "huge cultural movement"? Pull the other one! Oh no, wait, that particular "keep" vote quickly evaporated. Yes, it was real enough, and lasted several years, and it was newsworthy; and even now has a tiny number of freakish hold-outs. The article's pretty poor and it will never make FA, but somebody more energetic than me can and eventually will improve it. Better an article on thousands of girls than most of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles on individual (yet near-interchangeable) girls. Keep. -- Hoary 10:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This is one of the biggest and most noticeable Japanese cultural trends in the last decade. Oh how a picture would say a thousand words... Bendono 12:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Google is your friend. -- Hoary 02:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
      • I do not need a picture. I've lived in Shibuya since 2000 at the peak of the ganguro phase. I was referring to the need for a picture for the article. Bendono 04:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Hoary and cab. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This was and still is a missive fashion trend in Japan, it is well documented espcially around the year 2000. Deleting it would be a big mistake.Hontogaichiban 02:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Wow. Where in Japan is it still a massive fashion trend? -- Hoary 02:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Hardly massive anymore, but still popular enough to see almost daily in Shibuya even now. Bendono 04:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
        • What can I say . . . Your dejikame is your friend! -- Hoary 04:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
        • Ah, I think I was confusing ganguro (still common, in rather subdued form) with yamanba (more picturesque, but now virtually extinct). -- Hoary 07:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Definitely notable, and a lack of attributions is not in itself grounds for deletion (although it's certainly grounds for improving the article!) -- Schneelocke 13:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I added a video of a tv show that details the culture of ganguro, in English. stan goldsmith 16:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.