Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gandhi Information Center

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gandhi Information Center

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Organization asserts notability, however, article has existed since August of 2005, and has no verified independent reliable sources which establishes its notability. The closest I can find are webpages with link exchanges and similar non-reliable methods. Most recently, User:Chrbartolf, whom I assume is its' Executive Director Christian Bartolf (and whose own bio article is currently being discussed at AfD on notability grounds,) has been spuriously removing {{fact}} and {{notability}} tags. This article has had long enough to establish its notability from independent sources with the possibility for assistance from a (presumed) intimately involved source. It thus fails WP:CORP. Delete. LaughingVulcan 00:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No reliable sources to show notability, fails WP:CORP. -- Kesh 02:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• My opinion. I've been the chief admin watching this page. Most of that job has involved minimizing "vanispamcruft". While I appreciate the efforts of the subject in promoting the work of Ghandi, no matter how commendable those efforts may be the fact remains that this organization has not met our current notability standards. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I think you should think about your view on "notability standards". Excuse me for removing tags: I have not been too familiar with Wikipedia's procedures, rules and regulations, because I am a newby. You find on the discussion page official web sources of Berlin. They can be added easily. Perhaps you should be more helpful as "chief admin", even if you do not recommend "those efforts", or else pass it over, "Will Beback". Chrbartolf 20 June 2007

Now hopefully the many additions and changes of the website will suffice. Chrbartolf 20 June 2007

Reply I can appreciate that you have put much effort into the article, and also speaking for its' notability on its' Talk page. However, this is not just "Will Beback's view," or my view. It is the view of the guideline of Notability and its' daughter page of corporate and organizational notability. Those guidelines have been arrived at by consensus on Wikipedia. Until they change, the fact remains that the primary way to demonstrate notability is through reliable secondary sources which are independent of any Conflict of Interest. Some examples:

• The Doctors Without Borders article cites "Bortolotti, Dan (2004). Hope in Hell: Inside the World of Doctors Without Borders, Firefly Books. ISBN 1552978656."
• The Nobel Prize article cites "Nobel Prize. (2007). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved April 1, 2007, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9056008", and "Golden, F.: "The worst and the brightest", TIME magazine, 16 October 2000."
• The Bill_and_Melinda_Gates_Foundation article's references section seems especially well done, with multiple source both inside and outside their foundation (including references from CNN and Money magazine.

I can appreciate what you have said in the Talk page, that it is hard for a nonprofit or charitable organization to dig up reliable secondary sourcing. (My use of the above were from, admittitedly, very high-profile organizations whose notability probably would not be in dispute even if they had no references.) However, the question still remains: Where are the multiple independent secondary sources written primarily about the Gandhi Information Center which establish its' notability? (And please note, I have checked every link you've provided in the article and its Talk page - except that I do not read German, so I can't translate the Berlin plaque dedication-done below, run a fairly targeted Google Search, and hit other web search sources. Even though it's not my responsbility to source your article. I don't see any so far, though I am willing to be corrected.) LaughingVulcan 12:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete - Everyone can register his institution on the official Berlin-website: http://www.berlin.de/gewusst-wo/eintrag1.php

So that is not a question of notability. The centers homepage says, it has around 100 members. Under German WP Standards a Corporation as an indication is notable by size, when it has 1000 members or employees. I think you are not that much a newby as you are trying to make others think of you. I also believe, that you know very well, why there is no article in the German WP. And I am afraid that there are some more autobiographers hiding in the English WP, who are comparable to this case.--Kresspahl 12:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

...and in Berlin there is only a POBox and no premises except Bartolf's private home. And no entry with a phone book as www.telefonbuch.de ...

--Kresspahl 14:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• translation perhaps a translation of all the German titles etc & key phrase can be added, as briefly as possible. DGG 23:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

... just done so - thanks to your advice ... Chrbartolf 21 June 2007

• Delete - lacks reliable sources -- Whpq 14:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

"The Federal Government has made fighting right-wing extremism a domestic policy priority, because intolerance, racism and xenophobia upset the internal balance of a democratic society. Although the overwhelming majority of people living in Germany reject right-wing and xenophobic activity, this anti-social behaviour needs to be actively confronted. In view of the variety of factors which can contribute to right-wing extremist ideas and behaviour, the Federal Government combines an active human rights policy with measures to strengthen civil society and social engagement and to encourage the integration of foreigners, as well as measures targeting right-wing extremists and their milieu. For more information (in German): Bündnis für Demokratie und Toleranz (Alliance for Democracy and Tolerance) (...)" (website of the Federal Ministry of the Interior of the German government: http://www.bmi.bund.de/cln_028/nn_122730/Internet/Content/Themen/Innere__Sicherheit__allgemein/PolitischeZiele/Racism__and__xenophobia.html Chrbartolf 22 June 2007

Just for explanation: the "Bündnis für Demokratie und Toleranz (Alliance for Democracy and Tolerance)" was founded by the German government on 23 May 2000 (day of the German Constitution). Gandhi Information Center is a member of it, active in the field "prevention of violence". Chrbartolf 23 June 2007

Just for information: The "Alliance for Democracy and Tolerance" now is an independent organisation linked to the Federal Ministry of the Interior of the German government ("eine selbstaendige Organisation im Geschaeftsbereich des Bundesministeriums des Inneren"). The Gandhi Information Center's activity focus ("nonviolence" and "prevention of violence") and status (non-profit society - "gemeinnuetziger Verein") qualified it to be accepted as member of this Alliance. In addition, the Gandhi Information Center is a non-governmental organisation which has actively participated in the German government Federal Foreign Office's 16th and 17th 2007 "Forum Global Issues". Chrbartolf 23 June 2007

Delete. Per a lot of things above. Astrale01^talk_contribs 18:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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