Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriels Fallen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, keep. wangi 00:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gabriels Fallen

Tagged as {{db-band}} but claims to have 3 albums. Forwarded to AFD and let others decide. Abstain. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 12:51, Jan. 2, 2006

Comment: Below, User:maxcap has pointed out (and I did not previously notice) that two of the 3 albums listed are actually compilations that happen to contain the same song by this band, thus my position on this matter has changed from neutral to delete. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 07:16, Jan. 3, 2006

• Very Weak Keep They'll need to add the label to which they're signed [or claim to be], and Wiki does not need full sized pics nor logos, but apart from that it appears to be enough to stay. Saying that, Wiki cannot say yes to one "local scene" group who can't be bothered with MySpace, so care and attention is still needed. doktorb | words 20:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Added our label to the page, as far as "local scene" it is important to our history to include where we came from, a great number of bands have come from our area including "The Beach Boys", and "Pennywise". The logo has been removed, but as far as the picture goes, I feel it is important to our site, plus I've seen it on a number of other band pages, ie Atreyu. Also we don't claim to have 3 albums, we state very clearly that we have one studio album, one compilation, and are featured on one dvd. Please do not delete our page, I've fixed what needed to be fixed, if there is anything else that needs fixing, please let me know. Thank you, Chris - Gabriels Fallen 12:42, 2 January 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.80.136 (talk • contribs) 3 January 2006

• Delete Unless inclusion on comps and a song on a DVD count as albums. Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC maxcap 22:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

From the guidelines:

"Has been the subject of a half hour or hour broadcast on a national radio network." BNRX FM did a 45 minute interview with us

"Has been prominently featured in any major music media." The DVD we're featured on pushes aprox. 2 thousand copies a week (aprox. 100 thou. a year) from Best Buy, plus we do the theme song on the next volume, have a music video and feature 4 songs on it.

"Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour over notable musical venues in at least one large or medium-sized country" We're in talks to go out on this years Vans Warped Tour.

In fact just two days ago we preformed with The Violent Femmes and Reel Big Fish.

Chris - Gabriels Fallen.Fiend1138 02:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

BNRX is an internet radio station, I'm not sure if that counts. If it does, keep.

The DVD you are featured on is a DVD of street fights..as in http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7575732&type=product&id=1483749. ::(That's Vol.3 I couldn't find Volume 4, has it been released yet?) That's not major music media.

When the Warped Tour line-up is finalized and you're on it OK. But "In talks" is not "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour ::over notable musical venues in at least one large or medium-sized country". That's cool that you played with the Violent Femmes and Reel Big Fish, but there are alot of bands that have opened for alot of notable bands. I don't see how that's relevant. maxcap 02:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Felony Fights vol. 4 is being released in about a week, if BNRX doesn't count, then very shortly we are going to be featured on on of the XM radio stations.

Personally I just don't want to see my page go down, We've had it up for a little while, and we all really enjoy being part of the wiki community, and frankly we don't want to lose it. Honestly I don't think our page is hurting anyone, it's a valuable resourse for people to get more information about us if they choose to do so. I loved the idea of wiki when I first started to use it a long time ago, I wanted to share the information about my band for anyone who is interested. And isn't that the mission of wiki, to have an open encyclopedia where anyone can add information they believe to be relivent others? Wiki is very precious to us, so please let our page stay. - Chris Gabriels Fallen Fiend1138 02:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

It's nothing personal Chris. I feel the same way about Wikipedia as you. But it's got to have guidelines. maxcap 03:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Well then technically, in about week when Felony Fights 4 comes out we meet the guide line for "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable", and the XM Radio kicks in for "Has been placed in rotation nationally" can't we just let it stay?Fiend1138 03:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

• Conditional Keep Only keep if authors wish to rewrite the article to maintain a neutral pov, else Delete. Right now, it seems to be too much of a fan point of view. TheRingess 07:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up for a more neutral view point, if not neutral enough, please let me know. Thanks - Chris Gabriels Fallen Fiend1138 15:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

• The five day lag time ended on the 7th of January. Conditional Keep was the outcome. Can an Admin please remove the deletion tag.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.