Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Future American Dad! episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 00:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One Little Word

One Little Word (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

No sources, too much of crystalballery Will ^(talk) 21:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Also nominated

• Big Trouble in Little Langley
• Haylias
• The Most Adequate Christmas Ever
• Choosey Wives Choose Smith
• Widowmaker (American Dad!)
• Oedipal Panties
• Office Spaceman
• Tearjerker (American Dad!)
• Franny 911
• Red October Sky
• Stany Slickers 2: The Legend of Ollie's Gold
• The 42-Year-Old Virgin
• Escape from Pearl Bailey
• Spring Break-Up
• Pulling Double Booty
• Phantom of the Telethon
• Sixteen Hundred Candles
• The One That Got Away (American Dad!)

Will ^(talk) 22:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

all have official sources, and plus are already part of an ongoing discussing if you had cared to check... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grande13 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I checked. The copyright records say "screenplay". Not "television episode". "Screenplay". Some get copyrighted and don't even reach the voice acting. Will ^(talk) 22:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I hate to burst your bubble, but copyright offices prefer the term screenplay or teleplay to television episode. I would know. I'm a WGA-affiliated screenwriter. I haven't seen the copyright records myself, but if they have episode numbers, they're pretty much set for air. And if the episodes with the titles listed are listed on IMDb AND TV.com, there's something to it. Unless this is just some grand scheme perpetrated on two different sources to "punk" Wikipedia.--Sethacus 04:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Or, someone could enter it on TV.com, then go to IMDB and add it there. Will ^(talk) 21:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment — I don't know if you're aware of this, but some of these episodes have already aired. (Ibaranoff24 01:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

• Keep - These articles are merely placeholders for AD episodes that will air during the coming season. Although Wikipedia policy discourages placeholders—meaning the articles should have never been created in the first place—it seems kind of silly to delete the pages now only to have them recreated (possibly with incongruent styles) once the episodes actually air. --jonny-mt 05:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

• Question Do we have a list of AD eps? If so, I propose we redirect the following:Big Trouble in Little Langley, Haylias, Widowmaker, Oedipal Panties, Red October Sky, Stany Slickers,42-Year-Old Virgin, Spring Break-Up, Phantom of the Telethon and The One That Got Away. All of these are verified upcoming episodes, but without synopses.Keep One Little Word, Vacation Goo, Tearjerker, and Franny 911. These have synopses and, in some cases (eh-heh) have alredy aired. Delete the rest until a synopsis is found.--Sethacus 05:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  All of the articles have no sources whatsoever between them. So I don't see why you're wanting to keep unverifiable information. Will ^(talk) 06:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I looked through the articles to find sources, and while there don't seem to be any noted in the articles the episode list largely matches up with this one at TV.com. There are some gaps and the TV.com list doesn't have airdates yet, but I thought I would post it here for reference. --jonny-mt 15:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  Uh you do know that TV.com is user-submitted, yes? Will ^(talk) 15:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  And why wouldn't that work? Wikipedia seems to think TV.com is just peachy.--Sethacus 04:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  Any site that is user-contributed without a proper fact-checking system is automatically unreliable. Will ^(talk) 09:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  I noticed you removed the TV.com link from the LazyTown article. Are you willing to do that for every television show?--Sethacus 21:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  Not TV.com links, but TV.com references. Will ^(talk) 21:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  I know that the site allows contributions from users in the form of trivia, quotes, etc., but it doesn't seem to allow me to add new episodes, which suggests that access to those is controlled to some degree. The addition of fairly extensive TV news coverage lends additional credibility, but whether it's acceptable under WP:RS is up for debate--if you want to pursue that line of inquiry, it might be worthwhile to put up a query on the reliable sources notice board. I'd be glad to participate in that discussion. --jonny-mt 05:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  I think that would be a capital idea. I noticed, as well, certain users have special privileges on TV.com. I also note that there seem to be upcoming episodes of AD that I didn't recognize from IMDb or this Afd. Interesting.--Sethacus 21:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Same as User:Jonny-mt. - JustPhil 13:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The Vacation Goo since it has already aired. No opinion on the others. DCEdwards1966 14:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Dope & Faith will be airing in just a few days, and it would be stupid to delete its article in the mean time. 129.67.53.232 21:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm adding back info from remaining third season episodes that comes from the copyright database as its an acceptable form for source material as was discussed in the past and agreed upon. Numerous articles, some featured, or close to featured, for a show that utilizes the copyright database as a reference use this as well. Main example, the Simpsons [1], check on one of the discussion pages for the lengthy conversation between some of their editors and a few admins for how this came to be an acceptable source if you have any qualms about it.

Also, if you would have done some more research you would have noticed that more than half of the previously aired episodes on the copyright database have the word screenplay, which is just the style that american dad seems to be registering some of their more recent episodes. There hasn't been a situation where a title has been mislabeled yet, and in the rare occurrence if some situation should ever arise there is a upcoming television show disclaimer located above the current season.

I've also added back the season 4, as its properly sourced, and is setup in a way that discourages vandalism and people adding false material.

and its not too crystalballery as you noted, as the dates are left off and episode order left blank for the time being as I am only including the verified and sourced material. If you've noticed in the past i've removed peoples attempts at ordering and speculating dates as that is a bit crystalball-ish, but with this compromise they are in an acceptable form

Now regarding the episodes. Regardless of whether the discussion decides to delete some of the later upcoming episodes, they have a valid place on the episode list as they all have sources, and are labeled with that source and detailed info on how to confirm the existence of the episode. If it is decided that the episodes are to be merged/deleted later on then the episode pages can be kept although a redirect link can be implemented that just redirects it to the season 3 part of the episode list until further more concrete info becomes available on the episode. If you want to see that current system in action head over to the Simpsons season 19 episode page as episode pages that are confirmed but that do not enough info to be notable just redirect you to the main page. Also some of these episodes have been confirmed in articles/interviews. Im in the process of adding the sources to each episode that has such info. I've started with 42 year old virgin which had a live table read at comic con 2007. Grande13 01:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:EPISODE. Forget finding sources for the titles, find some real-world information or these will end up as redirects anyways. -- Ned Scott 10:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.