Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Funk metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was not Delete, merging or not can be worked out on Talk:Funk-rock. Stifle 13:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Funk metal

Keep this article, it needs to be expanded to explain the differences and such, but funk metal is not funk rock and should not be merged.

article overlaps largely with funk rock, and is not an actual genre. Another case of name dropping Spearhead 20:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Article used to glorify Funk, Funk Rock, Nu Metal and Hip Hop Bands/Groups/Artists that have no synergy with each other. Searching on the internet also finds that the same Yahoo Group that has banded to recreate AFD articles, is responsible for coining the term Funk Metal. Ley Shade 20:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I hear this term used commonly (although usually pejoritive context). Although unless someone is going to expand or improve the article it is probably best to merge this information into funk rock and/or heavy metal.Tombride 20:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to funk rock or heavy metal as per Tombride, I wont object if someone can expand the article though. -- Arnzy (Talk) 21:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as notable and verifiable type of music. Allmusic.com recognises this as a legitimate genre see [1] so that is far more authoritative than a Yahoo group. The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Faith No More and Primus are listed by Allmusic.com in the funk metal genre so its definitely notable. Capitalistroadster 02:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Allmusic.com likes to list bands in genres that they arent. Search Gothic Metal and youll find a million and one bands with no connection what so ever to Gothic Metal. Thats not very authorative now, is it. Ley Shade 09:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with funk rock. It's an actual genre though: Primus and the peppers come to mind ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 09:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect into funk rock, it's basically the same term. As a seperate comment, always be cautious with allmusic.com - it has as many genres as there are bands. Without even looking, I bet if you put together two random musical genres, you'd probably find a matching allmusic genre (classical funk? jazz metal? indie rap? pop electronica? pan pipe trip hop?). Proto||type 09:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Allmusic.com is also notorius for listing genres as things they arent, such as in the wonderfull cases of genres like Trance, Trip Hop and Gothic Metal. Hence why sites such as Allmusic.com generally arent too appreciated by musicians or dececated music enthusiasts. Ley Shade 09:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, this is definitely a term used to describe music. Though Allmusic my like to list bands as what they aren't, the use of a term indicates that such a genre, or at least a "scene", exists. I have heard this term used before. Infectious Grooves are what I'd quote as an example. --Switch 08:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Funk metal is a notable subgenre of funk rock, just as metal is a subgenre of rock. Parliament and Prince are good examples of funk rock, while Fishbone and Bad Brains are more typical of funk metal. Merging the two would be like merging fusion into jazz. --Joelmills 01:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Considering that Metal isnt a form of rock music, without being harsh, your statement is pretty redundant and foolish. And um, the WikiProject WP:HMM is in the process of merging stubs into their core articles. And for a band to be 'metal' they have to have metal characteristics. Also this fails Notablity on all accounts, and as such is in violation of the notablity policy. Ley Shade 01:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right, metal is not a subgenre of rock, and I do feel foolish for saying so. However, by the same token, funk metal is quite different from funk rock and merging the two would not make sense. If you want to merge it into metal, that would make more sense, but would probably make for a rather long article. The bands I mentioned do have metal characteristics; I can only assume you are unfamiliar with them. So do you list them as metal bands, funk bands, metal bands with funk characteristics, or what? Funk metal is a good way to describe them. As for notability, I got 25,000,000 hits on google for funk metal (not sure how many were unique). There were references to it on Rolling Stone's website, amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com, and many others. And despite your dislike of allmusic.com, I consider it to be a good source (it's even quoted in the heavy metal music article), which makes this topic verifiable and notable. -- Joelmills 03:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

In exactly what way does a genre said to be defined by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Primus (band), Rage Against the Machine and Fishbone fail notability?

Also, if a merger is necessary, it should be into alternative metal, not funk rock, with which it has far less overlap. --Switch 05:06, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Funk metal's been around and described for a while. WesleyDodds 06:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.