Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fry Mumia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash^talk 22:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fry Mumia

No evidence of widespread usage presented, and in any case this can be dealt with in a single line in the Mumia article. Gamaliel 02:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. No sources, no assertion of notability. -Will Beback 02:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Free Mumia Movement is a reasonably good article, but it should still probably be merged with Mumia Abu-Jamal. We handled the Stanley Williams freedom movement in that biography, and we should be careful about creating POV forks. -Will Beback 12:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Unimportant neologism. Ashibaka tock 03:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as uncommon neologism. Sycthos^Talk 03:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep See http://www.thoseshirts.com/mumia.html that the phrase is in common use, and please allow the article to actually be written. Are you all the same person? Morton devonshire 03:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: No, we are not sockpuppets or sockpuppeteers because we have the same point of view. Fry Mumia fails a Google test with only 1,050 hits. ThoseShirts.com sells many shirts, but not all phrases or slogans are notable because the fact that a phrase or slogan is printed on apparel does not justify common use. Sycthos^Talk 03:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Strawman argument -- didn't allege sockpuppetry based on similar point of view. Allegation is based on instantaneous syncophantic support on each other's talk pages, and the ganging-up without giving the article a chance to mature. Rather than delete it, edit it. That's the Wikipedia Way. Morton devonshire 16:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, as per nom. --Bletch 04:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Photography by DECLAN MCCULLAGH says otherwise. He's a journalist and editor of news.com. Here's a book on Google: Executing Justice. Did anyone bother to check this out first? Kmac1036 05:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • One guy writing it on a sign at a protest doesn't say much. The book you show has one sentence where it quotes someone with "Let Mumia fry!". I'm not convinced. Peyna 02:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Slight merge to Mumia article. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-20 05:13Z
• Dicdef. Transwiki and delete. Fagstein 05:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --—Viriditas | Talk 05:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, only needs one line at the Mumia article -- Astrokey44|talk 11:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per nom and above. --StuffOfInterest 13:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as neologism not in wide usage at all. Probably not even worthy of mention at Mumia. I can get a t-shirt with my name put up for sale at that site, that doesn't make me worthy of an article in Wikipedia. Peyna 16:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no merging needed here except for a single sentence. Also, I'm annoyed that whenever people share opinions, Morton devonshire immediately assumes/accuses them of being the same person (see above, and [1]) and has a habit of martyrdom [2] on this topic. Also, re below: A picture of a slogan by a notable journalist (if he is) does not make the slogan notable. --Golbez 16:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Not newly coined as alleged -- see the McCullagh photo cited above. Morton devonshire 16:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect. Free Mumia should probably be a redirect too. —Charles P.  (Mirv) 17:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, because the Cult of Mumia told me to. J/K. I think Mumia Abu-Jamal could use more coverage of the anti-Mumia movement. I just don't think an article on a T-shirt slogan is the proper place to put this coverage. Morton if you would like to improve Wikipedia's article on Mumia Abu-Jamal, feel free to edit it. Rhobite 17:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Slight merge and redirect - I think the phrase can be mentioned in passing under his detractors. Don't merge the picture and don't merge and make sure it's in passing. gren グレン ^? 17:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Mention briefly in Mumia Abu-Jamal if desired and see whether the editors of the article think it's important enough, but my vote is a simple delete because the phrase itself is not yet notable. A proper "merge and delete" is way too much work of the closer. Whoever edited the article can independently add a mention in Mumia Abu-Jamal. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable slogan. Also admittedly POV fork: Tried to add a reference to the main article, but it was removed by the Mumia-protection-society.. Guettarda 17:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn slogan User:Zoe|^(talk) 17:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per various above.--SarekOfVulcan 17:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• D Fawcett5 18:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think there is room for an examination of these social issues. I can imagine an article that talked about public perception of injustice, popular movements to correct that percieved injustice (Free Angela!, for those of us who of a certain age), and the reaction to those movements. Okay, Fry Mumia isn't the title for that article. I'm not qualified to write such an article anyway; But let's leave open the possibility that this content, under another name, could be the stub of a good article. Tom Harrison ^Talk 18:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • There is such an article: Mumia Abu-Jamal Fagstein 18:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Sure, and there's Angela Davis, Lawrencia Bembenek, and Tom Dooley (song). There is a common element in all of these that could be made into a good article, by someone who knows more about social history than I do. The content at Fry Mumia could, under another title, be a contribution to that article. Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. And mention on Mumia's article if evidence can be found supporting it's use being common. I've yet to see that. - Taxman ^Talk 19:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --kingboyk 20:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Pointless article on a pointless subject. --BadSeed 00:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Mumia Abu-Jamal. I agree with the nominator — though I'm not sure why he took it to AfD in the first place — that a single sentence on "Fry Mumia" as a "humorous" response to "Free Mumia" would be enough. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 02:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I think it would be fine to have more general info on the anti-Mumia movement, to the extent that there is one (I'm not knowledgeable on this point), in the main Mumia article. However, I haven't seen anything convincing me so far that this phrase in particular is more than the coinage of an individual, so at this point I wouldn't even see a need for the one-sentence merge some have suggested. Catsv 05:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I have redirected the page to Free Mumia Movement, in an effort to try to find some balance. My hope is that editors will discuss the political phenomenen which is the Free Mumia Movement, which is larger than the man himself and his case. Please help me to do this by removing the Afd and other tags. Thanks. Morton devonshire 05:28, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Vote still remains delete; the new page has even less info than the previous one. Really, any of this can just be put into Mumia Abu-Jamal until it gets too large and requires its own article. That's typically how this is done here. --Golbez 16:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Free Mumia Movement and see what can be made of it. Keep Fry Mumia as a redirect. Tom Harrison ^Talk 16:57, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Mumia Abu-Jamal already covers the Free Mumia Movement and covers it's opposite in detail. Free Mumia Movement and Fry Mumia are not needed until/unless the main Mumia article becomes too large to manage. Peyna 17:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with Mumia Abu-Jamal but with a caveat: Is this vote for Free Mumia or Fry Mumia? I came across the AfD at the top of the Free Mumia entry, yet it says Fry Mumia at the top of this page. If Free Mumia is a keeper, I think Fry Mumia should stay as well.-HroptR 03:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Regardless, it's still a POV fork created because the author's attempt to add information to the original article was removed by the Mumia-protection-society. (i.e., it was created because the author was unable to get consensus for his addition to the main page). POV forks are not allowed, as per policy. Guettarda 23:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Ok, a "merge" and / or redirect would be sufficient, in the name of saving some server space. Kmac1036 23:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable slogan. Also admittedly POV fork: POV forks are not permitted. Look, I live in Philly and am intimately aware of this case and the furor and the angst, nonetheless, the article needs to go. Jim62sch 23:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.