Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresh Records

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. - brenneman ^{L} 06:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fresh Records

The company existed, but it's not notable BalfourCentre 09:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Delete 216.141.226.190 12:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Conditional Keep, I now see the value in this article, but it still is a mess and while I can say keep per Antares33712, I am afraid that the article will have no valid resources to cite if needed, ths putting it in a perilous position. But based on Antares's comments, I feel the subject is notable enough for conclusion and we can at least conclude that this isn't some hoax. 216.141.226.190 06:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as having no evidence of importance outside of Play Dead, which may itself be quesitonable given that User:Play Dead seems to be the source... Just zis Guy you know? 13:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment, given that Play Dead are both in Launch and AllMusic, I'm erring that they and the UK label are notable enough for a disambiguation page. Antares33712 16:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, it saddens me tbat a record label that was instrumental in the development of '80s hip-hop is receiving so little recognition. While I am not the biuggest fan of hip-hop, Public Enemy, Tone Loc and K.R.S One all got their start at Fresh. Jive Records started out as a hip-hop label as well (they just blew up instead). I have no idea who Play Dead is (was or whatever), but Fresh was ALL about hip-hop. They were based in New York City. But I guess thats the problem. Since they were around before the Internet, there isn't a lot of information left about them. I found a link to an album review [[1]] and also a search in Amazon (under Popular Music) for Fresh Records will find a whos who of East Coast '80s rap, before N.W.A desecrated it with that gangsta shit. Oh well, off my soapbox I go Antares33712 14:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Antares33712, please add that information to the article! If what you say is true (that Public Enemy, Tone Loc, KRS One got their start at Fresh), then this is certainly notable. Yes, it's sad that it's not recognised but reading the article as it stands (small record label, now defunct) I would come to the same opinion. --Canley 16:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment I gain nothing from making that up, but defunct indie labels and even acts tend to lose information over time. Antares33712 16:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Sorry, thats the best I could come up with until I can talk to my friend who knows more about hip-hop than I. I could write something now, but I don't want it to be both unsourced and wrong :-) Antares33712 16:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, no notability stated or implied in the article. Tychocat 18:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, per Antares33712, but I am afraid that if kept, sufficient valid sources won't be available to make this article worthwhile 66.32.196.194 22:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep since this is only a disambiguation page, I guess it's fine. However, the actual article pages will need watching. So I say Keep. 65.122.138.194 22:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - former record company of several notable artists. Needs to be improved, but doesn't necessarily mean it deserves to be deleted Halo 00:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep although FYI Public Enemy got signed by them, they left for another label before their debut. Also, you should include info on Sleeping Bag Records, another indie label that merged with Fresh (why most 80s output from them say Sleeping Bag/Fresh Records). 63.164.145.85 18:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment where shall we find the sources to verify this? There are a couple of '80s magazines with some information, but those aren't valid since they are not Internet. 216.141.226.190 21:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - printed media counts, so if you have resources, please share it will help us flesh this one out. Personally, the page as it stands I feel is fine, but before we undertake the real article we will need sources (and yes, the pickings are scarce :-) ) Antares33712 14:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• keep please this is the name of two important labels article shows notability Yuckfoo 20:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect to Jive Records... the American record label was notable ... the british was only minimally so.  ALKIVAR™ 15:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.