Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederik De Winne

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 03:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frederik De Winne

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prod contested. As written, article doesn't tell me if this guy is a benchwarmer, super star or something in between. As far as I am concerned, simply being a soccer player means nothing. What you do while you are playing soccer is what makes you notable or not. Nothing here indicates notability. The way I see it, if there was something notable to be said about the guy, someone would have said it. Since nothing was said, there must be nothing notable about the guy Postcard Cathy 21:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment I encountered an article almost exactly like this yesterday. I requested a speedy on it, so I guess a speedy for this one too. Jonjonbt 22:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The article gives the team SC Lokeren and the league Jupiler League. I need the football people to tell me if membership on a team in that league is notable. If it is, we dont delete for the article being a stub. DGG (talk) 23:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep - While the article could read as being A7 speedily deleted, I actually think it satisfies WP:BIO, specifically for athletes who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming or tennis. Since the Jupiler League is a fully professional league (the top Belgian football league), I think it qualifies. But as a stub it falls somewhat short IMO. --Pekaje 23:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This shows he played in a pro league. Clarityfiend 23:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Plays professional football in the Belgian league so by Wikipedia policy and precedent is clearly notable. There's nothing wrong with an article which starts as a stub. Nick mallory 00:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Nick, Pekajje, DGG: The article doesn't indicate how much he has played, if he spent 99% of his time on the bench and 1% or less on the field, etc. I don't care if he is on soccer's equivalent of the NY Yankees. If he spent most of his time being soccer's equivalent of the bullpen catcher, he is not wiki worthy! Postcard Cathy 04:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
No Cathy. Wikipedia policy and precedent mean that if he'd played just ONE game in a fully professional league then he's notable. This is a long established policy and it's easy to check if a player has played before nominating it for AfD. The number of keep votes on this AfD show where the community consensus lies. Nick mallory 03:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • comment This is at odds not just with the conventions for football but the entire policy behind N:sports, which is that participation at a sufficiently high level is enough, regardless. Personally, though as a total non-expert, I think this sensible, for otherwise we would be here discussing each individual's particular career. With over 100 afds a day, I think the practice of having clear-cut bright line distinctions based on obviously sourceable criteria is very sensible, and could well be extended to as many other fields as possible. I look forward to the day when we will have about 50 a day here, the ones that really need attention. DGG (talk) —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 17:52, August 21, 2007 (UTC).
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 07:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep meets WP:BIO guidelines but urgently needs expansion!! ChrisTheDude 07:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep the author has created loads of articles on similar lines, and a fair few have been speedied, prodded or AfDd, when they shouldn't be, so it's worth watching out. They all need major expansion, though. ArtVandelay13 07:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep "if there was something notable to be said about the guy, someone would have said it" So should we automatically delete all the short stubs now? if this one gets deleted, we might well delete thousands of others. Has played more than 20 games in a fully pro league, clearly meets WP:BIO requirements. -- BanRay 08:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Plays in professional league so meets WP:BIO. Davewild 09:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep These thoughtless nominations of people who clearly meet policy requirements show a lack of respect for the valuable time of your fellow wikipedians. Brandon97 14:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment - Ahem, that was really uncalled for (please AGF). The article really didn't look like much, so it's understandable that it got nominated. Anyway, I'm tempted to call WP:SNOW on this one, unless someone comes up with an argument for deletion that is supported by policy or guidelines. --Pekaje 14:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Professional international footballer. Also WP isn't exactly drenched with articles on african football. Quickly deleting every stub won't help WP to expand on the subject. It's entirly possible someone comes along and add some much needed expanding. Sebisthlm 12:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Clearly meets WP:BIO. I would suggest finding out whether the player fails WP:BIO before nominating an article for deletion in the future. Dave101→talk  19:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Clearly meets WP:BIO. Will nom. please read WP:GD[1] and follow the guide before nominating an AfD in future. --Malcolmxl5 21:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.