Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick Carr

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'm fairly certain this guy is notable enough, but the article really doesn't make his contributions clear. No prejudice against recreation, but if the article is recreated, it should be clear on his importance. Mangojuice^talk 14:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frederick Carr

I am nominating this article for deletion under the "Non-notable" section of Wikipedia's guidelines. While I personally know Fred Carr (and attend the University of Oklahoma for that matter), I do not feel that he has contributed to Meteorology in a way that would be notable enough for a Wikipedia article on him. TNLTRPB 02:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Frederick Carr is notable; he invented the carr. Just kidding...Delete. Wavy G 02:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep professors are notable. Valoem ^talk 03:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete professors are not notable. See WP:PROF. Herostratus 03:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems to be more notable than the average college professor, which is typically treated as the minimum notability requirement. --- RockMFR 03:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't feel that the article gives a reason that meets WP:PROF. --150.203.177.218 03:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Although you may have counted my nomination of this article as a vote for "delete," I'm going ahead and placing my vote here for formality. BTW, the WP:PROF page notes that it is -not- a policy at this time, only a proposal. TNLTRPB 05:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete as the article fails to assert notability beyond head of the School of Meteorology, which just barely meets the standard. I'm comfortable with university presdients getting an automatic notability pass, but individual schools within a university, not so much. --Dhartung | Talk 05:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - not quite notable enough for me, I'm afraid. If he ran this American Meterological Society, then fine, but just being a fellow isn't good enough. Moreschi 12:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep A research professor is easier to find notability for. Other than his dissertation, no research, no books, no invited papers, no research awards are reported. Google sucks for such research, because there are too many other men with similar names. It says he edits journals and is a Fellow of the national body of his specialty. Carr is more interested in teaching per his facuty page. The article doesn't cite winning teaching awards. Maybe some quotes from famous people in the field whom he mentored could be included to verify notability as a teacher, or publications, invited talks, and editorships could be documented. Points for being the department head. Edison 13:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Try Google Scholar instead of Google Web. Uncle G 17:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep per above -- Librarianofages 21:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

What "above" are you refering to? I mean Edison's "keep" opinion is a very very weak one (and I almost suspect he meant "weak delete") and Valeom's opinion is not at all representative of current stantdards applied around here. That leaves RockMFR which isn't particularly well-documented. Pascal.Tesson 01:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete - Fails the criteria of WP:PROF --Ineffable3000 22:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The Google search for his name + meteorology gets 68 unique hits which is waaaay low for anyone who might qualify as a truly above average professor. Pascal.Tesson 01:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The Google Scholar search for his name + meteorology gets only 28 hits [1], also solidly below the "average professor" threshold, and I see no evidence from independent sources of him meeting any of the tests at WP:PROF. GRBerry 02:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Restated Keep Sorry I didnt have time to add comment. Professors are notable SEE WP:PROF "If an academic/professor meets any one of the following conditions, they are definitely notable. If an academic/professor meets none of these conditions, they may still be notable, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on verifiability".: http://www.caps.ou.edu/CAPS/carr.html

Pascal.Tesson I'm afraid you are wrong I did have my reason for keeping. Do not randomly insult people it is trolling. Valoem ^talk 03:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment I pointed out that your opinion does not reflect consensus. I'm not sure how you could misconstrue this as a random insult. And I insist: consensus on Wikipedia is that not all professors are notable enough to deserve an article. I take it from what you just wrote that you agree Carr does not meet the criteria of WP:PROF. The extra link you just gave is his description on the Oklahoma University website. For all we know he wrote this himself. That hardly counts as a reliable source. Pascal.Tesson 13:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.