Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freddy and Jason universe timeline

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete--JForget 00:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Freddy and Jason universe timeline

Freddy and Jason universe timeline (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

The article is almost pure original research. The only thing verifiable on the events that take place in each film, but connecting the two franchises--which, until Freddy vs. Jason had never mentioned the other before (minus that half-hearted joke by New Line when they acquired the rights to Friday the 13th--is an original thought of the editors involved with this project. Not to mention it's kind of indiscriminate information, since the only true connect they share is a cross-over film in 2003. This would be like having a timeline for The O.C. and Smallville, just because a character was used in a film. Also, Wikipedia doesn't write fictional biographies and that's basically what this is. At best, it may be better if the information was transwikied to Friday the 13th Wiki.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - nothing here which isn't original research. Uncontroversial. Liquidfinale ^{(Ţ) (Ç) (Ŵ)} 22:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete because this is a synthesized in-universe timeline which violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:WAF. If it was a timeline of when products of the franchise came out, that would be another argument, but here it is from a fictional perspective -- not at all in line with Wikipedia's stance of providing real-world context for a fictional topic. I would say it also fails notability to boot as there is no significant coverage (especially real-world context) by secondary sources about a franchise's fictional timeline. I support a tranwiki to the aforementioned Wiki. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - This is a nice idea, but it's completely original research. I've seen a few Friday the 13th timelines, and they're all different, there's obviously no official timeline. And when you include the Nightmare on Elm Street films as well... Transwiki-ing to the F13 wiki is a fair proposal, the information here is not suitable for an encyclopedia. Paul730 23:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I could swear I've seen this before. JuJube 23:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • You mean in an AfD? It could have had a different name and just been recreated with this one.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment It was killed and then mysteriously resurrected? Uh oh. Clarityfiend 03:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as OR and redundant with individual articles on the two characters; maybe userfy. JJL 13:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Original research. RobJ1981 20:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - All Original Research. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 13:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, because reliable secondary sources do exist for this timeline and because it involves two of the most significant horror movie/comic/video game villains in modern culture. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • A single secondary source does not establish notability, nor does it change the fact that this particular article is riddled with original research. You cannot integrate two separate franchises on the shear note that they share a single movie that does not actually establish itself in continuity with any prior movie.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
    • At the end of Jason Goes to Hell, Freddy's gloved hand pulls Jason's mask into Hell. Thus, they appear in more than a single film. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Um, the makers of the film have stated that the glove was not meant to suggest anything other than a joke that New Line had acquired the rights to Jason for the first time with that film. Again, you cannot tie Freddy's history with Jason's history. Until FvJ, they didn't even suggest that the other existed in either's universe. Regardless, It's all plot, and Wiki isn't a plot summary. Watch the movies, or read the articles.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.