Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank McCoubrey

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The result was Keep, withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) Sheffield Steel^talk_stalk 17:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frank McCoubrey

Frank McCoubrey (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Unreferenced stub on a local councillor in Northern Ireland, fails WP:N and WP:BIO#Politicians BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability now established through addition of further references, so nomination withdrawn. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. . --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Not making an actual !vote as I know little of Ireland politics; I would think the combined impact of a Belfast councilman and his notoriety from his Loyalist ties would assert some notability. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 19:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 22:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I believe he makes the grade under WP:BIO#Politicians as it includes 'members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city' whilst the notoriety of the incident involving the UDA 'show of strength' and the resulting news coverage also help. However, point taken about the lack of sources which I will now endeavour to fix. Keresaspa (talk) 13:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I have now sourced and expanded the article and will hopefully be able to dig some more stuff up from book I have at home. If there are still concerns, however, raise them and I will try to address them. Keresaspa (talk) 14:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:N (thanks to Keresaspa's sources, I think the necessary coverage is established), bolstered by the (non-policy, non-guideline) portion of WP:OUTCOMES that says "precedent has tended to favour keeping members of the main citywide government of major, internationally famous metropolitan cities". Sarcasticidealist (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Reply. I have checked all the references added by Keresaspa, and I find only one article which is substantially about McCoubrey: this BBC story. This story from the Newsletter is not about MCoubrey, it is about The Shankill, though half of it is quotes from McCoubrey (he's the only person quoted). WP:BIO#Politicians lists "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city." (emphasis added by me). A footnote adds:

    Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians. A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists. An actor who has been featured in magazines has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple magazine feature articles, by magazine article writers. An actor or TV personality who has "an independent biography" has been written about, in depth, in a book, by an independent biographer.

    I don't see any evidence yet that McCoubrey "has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep The article now appears to be extensively referenced, both to published books and to web articles. The article itself does attempt to indicate why the person should be notable. However, I do not have an particular knowledge of the subject in question. -- MightyWarrior (talk) 19:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - status as councillor doesn't really make him notable alone, but coupled the "Loyalist Day of Culture" incident and his general role in loyalism it is good enough for me. It looks like this may be a reference for his early life. Warofdreams talk 01:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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