Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Muir

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 09:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Francis Muir

The creation edit said he was a notable usenetter, but there are few of those in reality and his actual notability based on what is written is questionable. He does have a list of publications, but its hard to tell if its enough. Delete as is. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep -- I agree that fido's publications are largely beside the point warranting his inclusion herein. In fact, I would be hard pressed justifying this action on the basis of any single aspect of his Usenet activities. The best I can do is vouchsafe it by my personal assessment of fido's anthropological interest to any present or future Internet historians. As to finding the basis in what is written, the creation edit is meant as a stub. However, I have attempted to furnish links suitable for further elaboration by better men. Larvatus 08:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC) larvatus
• Delete. Non-notable, for god's sake. rodii 22:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. -- JJay 22:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Can you explain why? karmafist 01:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I've posted on Usenet since the early '90s too -- where's my article? Every Usenet group has its resident 'personalities,' but they're no more encyclopedic than the characters at your local pub. Perodicticus 11:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Do you have a celestial body named after you? ([1]) Larvatus 12:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus
    • It costs a few bucks to name a celestial body after someone. Just go to any registry and pay around $50. karmafist 01:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • If there were a 'local pub characters' category your local's regulars would be appropriately listed there. Irina Feeney, 12:37 GMT, 15 December 2005
    • Well put. I think this is a dispositive consideration. Notability reflects its venue. Larvatus 13:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus
• Keep Notable on Usenet back in the days before the internet ruled all. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
• "Keep." He's one of the few intelligent Usenet people left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedavid (talk • contribs)
• Keep Delete Silas Mariner? Never! Francis may be a world-class welsher, but he's an institution, of one kind or another. Besides, he owes me money. J. Del Col—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.30.200.2 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Fido has been posting on usenet for eons, or at least 1991 when I started to post. Irina Feeney, 09:35 GMT, 15 December 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.67.71 (talk • contribs)
• Keep most definitely keep ! Francis Muir is certainly notable contributor to rec.arts.books

--Tristes tigres 22:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC) -[User's sixth contribution]

• • • Relisting for more debate, per major meatpuppetry. FCYTravis 20:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Delisting. What evidence do you have of meatpuppetry? Looking at your edit history, you have an extensive history of activities taken against User:Larvatus, this article's author; mulitple AFDs, and RFC. This is beginning to look more and more like bullying through abuse of wikipedia process. I'm delisting this until you can show credible evidence why the article should be relisted, not vague allegations of sock or meatpuppetry. FeloniousMonk 03:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

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AfD Relisted on Dec 23

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• Delete. Per nom. not notable. Agnte 00:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I spent a great deal of time on Usenet, talking to all sorts of people in various newsgroups, and I've never heard of him. nn. --Jason Gastrich 00:56, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per precedent. Lists of "notable" personalities in IRC chatrooms get deleted too. Endomion 01:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Nobody is ever notable just for USENET. karmafist 01:30, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Keep, definitely. I don't recognize half the names in the Usenet People category as currently configured (perhaps the problem upthread is indeed localization), but Francis has been a colorful mainstay for well over a decade. --S. Goetz 19:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.122.199.129 (talk • contribs)
• Delete. There's no such thing as an improper relist, and this person doesn't deserve his own article - maybe a couple of sentences in an article on Usenet history, at best. Flyboy Will 03:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.