Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis M. Wilcox

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 13:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Francis M. Wilcox

Francis M. Wilcox (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) - (View log)

Editor of the house paper of the Seventh Day Adventists. No other claim to fame, as far as I can tell. Guy (Help!) 09:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

• I think Francis M. Wilcox is a very significant Seventh-day Adventist individual. His name appears in the Historical Dictionary of the Seventh-day Adventists edited by Gary Land ([Scarecrow Press, 2006], pp. 328) and the Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia ([Review and Herald, 1996], vol. 11, p. 900). Both have sizable articles on him. The article is a stub so it is a start and I (and I see at least one other person) have begun to work on it. His most significant contribution is editor of the Seventh-day Adventist church paper, the Review and Herald for which we have articles for the other editors. The editor of this publication is usually a "heavyweight" when it comes to dealing with denominational issues and he is therefore a key person to helping understand the milieu of Adventism.

I think a redirect & merge to the article on the paper would meet the situation. DGG 00:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and added sources and expanded it a bit. I hope it helps and will receive further consideration. Thewalkingstick 23 January 2007

• Very Weak Keep positions, as editor of paper, president of publishing company, and chairman of the Estates board look to be notable, but the only sources are clearly not independent. I'm inclined to keep given the relative difficulty of finding sources for something of this age (i.e. no google), but they still need to be found per WP:N. Eluchil404 10:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect, "difficulty of finding sources" does not excuse "requirement to cite them". Seraphimblade 12:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, no significant hits from Google News Archive (he does show up in apparent trivial mentions in ancient WaPo stories behind a paywall), Google Scholar, or Google Books. Even with the longtime editorship he just seems like a minor figure with no wider significance. --Dhartung | Talk 08:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Significant as noted in above entries, and also that he published many books. Google Scholar etc. are not the test of notability. Please allow time for good citations to be found and included. Colin MacLaurin 22:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This individual is significant and I've already expanded it from a few lines. Yes, it does need more sources, but as a Ph.D. student in history I also know that Google scholar is not a very good test for reliability. There are several academic treatments of Adventism from reputable, scholarly sources that need to be cited (and will be). I would urge for this article to be kept so that these sources can be added and the article expanded. The area of my doctoral research is on the 1920s and F. M. Wilcox was a significant figure in the interactions between Adventists and Fundamentalists, was a cutting edge leader in espousing Adventist doctrines, and played a very significant role in developing views of Pacifism by World War II. Thewalkingstick 31 Jan 2007
• Weak Keep. Meets notability. Needs more sources and expansion. Vassyana 12:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.