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The result was speedy delete per A7 and G11. Sr13 07:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Franchise Circle

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Website. Alexa page rank of 1,727,676: furthermore, all Alexa metrics shown with trend indicators (rank, page views per user, reach) are shown as being on a falling three-month trend. See [1]. Google hits seem to be almost entirely based on press releases released by the company itself. Suggest deletion based on lack of notability. The Anome 09:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete as NN spam, so tagged --Steve (Slf67) talk 09:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete but not speedy as it claims to be the first site of its type. Claim is unsubstantiated and no sources so off it goes. Guy (Help!) 10:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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The above debate was closed when the article was deleted as WP:CSD#A7. It has since been recreated in somewhat larger form. I still find the notability rather dubious. >Radiant< 12:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Shouldn't we open a new AFD? --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete. Spam, no claims of notability. No neutral references. Note that the link to the "New Canaan Advertiser" is, in fact, to a pdf file on the franchisecircle website. Corvus cornix 18:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Goodday. I believe this article is notable for a variety of reasons, most notably the people who are behind this idea. David Neeleman is behind the idea and the founder of Franchise Circle was featured in a book with the likes of Richard Branson, David Neeleman, and Charles Schwab. The company has obtained sponsorship from american Express and JetBlue (verify the company's website to view this). They have obtained a growing amount of support in the franchise industry and are backed by individuals who are more than notable. Please do not delete this article. If the article needs to be re-written, please provide details as to how it can be improved as it is clearly notable69.157.249.3 19:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC). — 69.157.249.3 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    • Wikipedia does not operate upon individual editors' notions of what is personally important to them. That way lies chaos. Wikipedia operates upon the presence of multiple non-trivial published works, from sources independent of the subject and its creators/founders/financiers/backers, about the subject. We may not "verify the company's website". We cannot trust purported copies of source material published by the company on its own web site, such as the purported "New Canaan Advertiser" article, noted above, or other articles claiming that the company has been sponsored by someone. What we need are citations of multiple independent sources. You have not supplied any. Sources! Sources! Sources! Uncle G 19:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, perhaps speedily: a non-notable web forum, written in an inappropriate promotional tone: Franchise Circle was created to be a one stop solution for the global franchise industry. Franchisors and advertisers get a 'Group' page where they can post information and build what’s called "Relationship Capital". Misuse of the word "solution" in this manner is a pet peeve of mine, and a sure indicator of ad-speak. - Smerdis of Tlön 19:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete, but I'm waffling on an A7 or G11. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, no independent results (one press release) on Google News Archive. This company may be backed by big names but they haven't done it much good in terms of free publicity. --Dhartung | Talk 20:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Further discussion on the references:

  1. The link to "Anne Ford's Bio" doesn't work. But then, I have to wonder, why would there be a link to a biography of a person who wrote a book featuring this company, unless that person were involved with the company?
  2. The link to the Franchise Times takes you to the current front page of that website. You have to pay for back copies of previously featured content, therefore there is no way of telling what their article had to say about Franchise Circle.
  3. The link to John-Richard Thompson's page is mangled, but when you go there, you find out at http://www.j-rt.com/JTbiopage.html that he is an actor and playwright. He has also written another book with Anne Ford, Laughing Allegra. "This non-fiction work blends memoir with self-help to reach parents of children with learning disabilities and was published by Newmarket Press in May, 2003". Interestingly enough, if you go to the current home page for Newmarket Press at http://www.newmarketpress.com/, they are featuring another book by Anne Ford and John-Richard Thompson. What are his qualifications to be writing a book about Franchise Times, and why is there a link to the biography of the author of that book on this page? Same questions I have for the Anne Ford link, except at least this page exists. Next Steps does not show up at amazon, and a google search comes up with nothing concrete for any such book. http://www.j-rt.com/home.html indicates that a book which has not yet been released, called The Next Step is coming out, but doesn't explain what it's about. Since Anne Ford seems to write about developmentally disabled adults, I have to wonder what her books have to do with Franchise Circle.
  4. The link to Interantional Franchise Expo Debut is nothing more than a list of exhibitors, and I do not find Franchise Circle there, anyway. Corvus cornix 22:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete. Ad-spam. Not notable. Poorly referenced. Bad hygiene. Doesn't play nice with other children. Groupthink 23:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete does not meet WP:WEB, only one quasi-WP:RS. Leuko 01:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the response but Franchise Circle is listed among the other exhibitors. Can we rewrite the article to provide more notability, etc.??Cartermalloy 01:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC) — Cartermalloy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment: Yes, you may edit/improve the article during the 5-day long WP:AFD discussion, and based on the re-write people may change their mind. Leuko 01:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
No, Franchise Circle is not listed among the other exhibitors. Corvus cornix 19:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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