Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Former Maruhage Empire villains

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. A merge can be discussed on the article's talk page without the need of an AfD. Kurykh 04:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Former Maruhage Empire villains

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This article is completely WP:OR, cites exactly zero references and is basically gamecruft. Seems completely unnecessary to me and does not belong in an encyclopedia, but in fact, belongs on a game guide Keeper | 76 22:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete in-universe gameguide/plot summary. I'm not even sure what this is since there no introduction. Ridernyc (talk) 23:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: When we decided to split up the articles for all the villains in Bo-bobo (since there were just too many and it was being noticed by other editors), we had to give each one a separate page. I've been the editor trying to keep the page relevant by keeping it the character's use in the story and that's it. Others, though, have been adding every single attack maneuver for these characters and making it more "game like". (all we really need to know is their fist style, personality and how they were defeated) If I can edit away the list of moves and just keep it relevant to the story, then it will be more improved than it is at this time. -StrangerAtaru (talk) 23:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
even if you remove the game elements it is nothing more then a plot summary. Ridernyc (talk) 00:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: if any of the reason for the possible deletion of this thread is for attack names, then most of if not all of it is my fault. But it should not be deleted because it describes all the characters in this specific arc of the series, and is an important resource for fans of the show. It's no worse than character lists for other anime, or TV series. it shouldn't be deleted because it was an important, and relevant arc of the series. If this article should be deleted for stating the information about these characters in this specific arc, then all character list for every single show should be deleted as well, because this article is no better or worse than most of them. And as far as the "zero resources" thing goes, the information stated here can all be found in the corresponding episodes, and manga chapters listed under the characters.LUNI_TUNZ (talk) 00:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: "Gamecruft"? It's not a game. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that kind of sums up how poorly written the article is. Ridernyc (talk) 05:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
It states in the first sentence that it relates to a manga and anime series. (That said, no, it's not exactly a shining example of prose clarity, even after the cleanup so far.) —Quasirandom (talk) 07:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, you're right, it isn't a game. That was an honest mistake and no insult was intended in my nom. I did try to make sense out of the "article", but I didn't have a reference or external link to check any assertions made. So, just plain cruft, not gamecruft, I guess. Keeper | 76 15:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into the relevant character list per WP:FICT. Naturally, excising the utterly massive amount of extraneous plot details, superfluous trivia, and original synthesis should be done during the merge. For all the "keep" rationales above, the relevant argument to address is whether the article establishes any real world context, or in other words is notable. Given that this article is a list of a rather specific subset of a type of characters on this show, then it is doubtful that it will ever satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), and thus should be merged. It is irrelevant how "important" you feel the article is since the article is meant to conform to the standards set by Wikipedia, not those by the show's fanbase. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • As Sephiroth BCR says, per WP:FICT, it does need to be merged into the relevant character list, with (even more than done so far) trimming. As do, really, all the other villain lists, but they aren't up for discussion here. Given the nature of the series, bounding about through one parody adventure after another, a convincing argument can be made that the parody antagonists as a whole are notable; also, given the sheer number, that merging them into List of characters in Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is untenable; I suggest the merge target be List of villains in Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, leaving the short summaries in List of characters in Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. (And while we're on cleanup issues, I note that per the style guideline in WP:SS, those characters with separate articles also need short, potted summaries in the list of characters that links to them. But I digress.) Along the way, adding citations to reviews that comment on the parodic nature of the series and the characters. —Quasirandom (talk) 07:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Given the nature of the series, which goes through villains/opponents as quickly as someone with sinus drainage goes threw Kleenexes, I seriously doubt we need to document every character that ever appears in the series. This article violates WP:NOT#PLOT and I seriously doubt that any real world relevance can be applied added. Essentially, these characters are no better then your typical Monster-of-the-Day that you would see on Power Rangers. --Farix (Talk) 22:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Using some of the logic I'm seeing for deleting this page, I don't see why all articles referring to fictional TV shows don't get deleted as well, not many fictional works have much impact, or anything at all to do with real life, any and all references needed to prove the validity of the characters is contained in the episodes, and chapters of the series, that are stated under every character's name.LUNI TUNZ (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep (and then merge as appropriate) Real impact on whom? Not on me, certainly, but the rest of the world that watches them , writes about them incessantly, and provides the market for them certainly is notable to a great many people using the encyclopedia. Someone like me might even see a reference some day. What people do for entertainment is part of the real world--a very significant part. As for these particular characters, how to merge them best is an editing decision that should be discussed elsewhere.DGG (talk) 12:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I really don't see these as being any more notable then your average monster-of-the-episode that you commonly find in many anime and almost every sentai shows. The only real difference between these villains and other MotEs are is that they appear for multiple episode just to drag out the gages. --Farix (Talk) 22:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


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