Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fordson High School

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS — KEEP. -Splash 01:54, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fordson high school

I've generally given up on VfDing school articles, but this doesn't even contain enough to merge into a single sentence in a school district article. --fvw* 13:56, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

  • Then it must die. Delete. Most school articles are vanity-based. Four walls and a ceiling is not notable. Proto t c 14:05, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep notable school. Klonimus 23:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete NN, policy DV8 2XL 14:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • What policy? Factitious 12:35, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is not a school article, but an attack page against the school. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep but rewrite heavily, schools are always notable enough and articles about them can become a source of pride and spring their writers into the realm of very active wikipedians. Besides, there is no doubt that a short school article can become rich and robust (see Moanalua_High_School. HoratioVitero 15:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete SaltyPig 15:40, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Verify else Delete Agree that high schools are notable. Does this high school even exist??? Roodog2k 16:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • It's probably the one in Dearborn, Michigan. Unless, of course, it isn't. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. If someone wants to write it again properly, they can. --Robert Brook 16:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nothing useful here that could serve as the start of an article. After deletion, list on User:GRider/Schoolwatch and in Wikipedia:Requested Articles, because the only real content of this article is the fact that someone wishes we had an article about this school. After you remove POV and original research, nothing is left, not even the location of the school (presumably Dearborn, Michigan but who knows?) If HoratioVitero or anyone else wants to write an actual article on this school, allow re-creation without prejudice.Dpbsmith (talk) 16:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • agree, Dpbsmith. that's the crux of most article "creations" that end up here. they're sometimes treated as if some great service has been dealt through what is basically an extremely messy topic suggestion. related rant (NB: foul language). SaltyPig 16:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • No vote now. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • delete nn school --TimPope 17:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Article completely rewritten by Silensor. Remarks above refer to the following earlier text: Dpbsmith (talk) 18:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Location Located on the vibrant street of Ford Road in the midst of a heavily saturated Arab and Muslim population, Fordson High School presents the epitome of immigration assimilation in America. Whether its G-Unit apparrel being worn in the newly constructed cafetria or a white Bentley with 22 inch chrome wheels, the stigma of modernization has truly spread across the students of this school. Thus, identity crisis has persisted due to lack of understanding of who they really are. Academics Fordson offers a dual semester program, with classes ranging from How to Cut a Knife with Purcell or Literatue/Philosophy with Misiakian (which offers nothing except nothing!)
  • Comment Remarks below appear refer to the article as rewritten by Silensor. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:32, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. A typical high school article about a typical high school, which is to say utterly non-notable. Quale 18:21, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep after the rewrite. The school building in itself is notable enough for an article. Quite impressive. --Tony SidawayTalk 18:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak keep after the rewrite, per Tony Sidaway. Most primary schools aren't notable, but this one's building seems to be. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 19:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. I also did some research on alumni. Some sources say George Peppard was there, but I don't think that's reliable because most say he attended Dearborn High. Chad Everett was there, though, as was one former Federal Congresscritter for Michigan, and District Judge Virginia A. Sobotka, and oh, that Chalabi fellow who was charged with spying at Guantanamo. --Tony SidawayTalk 19:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Definite KEEP after excellent work cleaning up by Silensor and Tony Sidaway. Unfocused 20:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I already voted on this article but I would like to thank Tony Sidaway for rewriting this, now it is a respectable article and this just goes to show any one skepticle of a first draft that something good can come from a little effort. HoratioVitero 20:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - Let's check the "proposed Wikipedia importance policy", "an article should not be deleted on the basis of notability if one of the following is true: 1. there is clear proof that a reasonable number of people (eg. more than 500 people worldwide) are or were concurrently interested in the subject." What highschool doesn't have 500 people interested in it? And almost every high school has had some notable history or notable students. Keep keep keep. --Quasipalm 20:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. This standard would include every issue of every magazine and newspaper with any significant distribution, every city intersection, nearly every failed election candidate, and many bands that would fail WP:MUSIC. The proposed importance policy has a lot of problems. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 21:53, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, resonably notable. Worthy of an entry per my reasoning at Schools for Deletion.Gateman1997 20:53, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, especially after nice cleanup (thank you!). Beginning 21:32, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, this is a school after all.--Nicodemus75 21:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete this is a school after all. Soltak | Talk 21:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment - this vote is precisely why you deletionists are losing vote after vote after vote. Your criteria is simply ridiculous, and this childish delete vote comment demonstrates the problem. Many inclusionists believe that schools are inherently notable. While that is a debatable hypothesis, the obverse is simply not true. I can obviously hold that a school should be included because it is a school on the basis that schools are inherently notable, but it is ridiculously absurd to suggest that any given school should not be included on the basis of it being a school. Some schools are notable and encyclopaedic by even the most restrictive standards. Enjoy losing another VfD. --Nicodemus75 23:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
      • My comment was sarcastic given that schools aren't inherently notable. Some schools are indeed noteworthy but to say that every school is notable simply by virtue of being a school is patently ridiculously. Take a look at User:Soltak/Views#Schools. You might also want to take a peek at WP:CIVIL, too. Soltak | Talk 23:48, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
        • Both of you please be civil. Soltak sarcasm is not warranted. And Nicodemus75 please refain from personal attacks.Gateman1997 23:54, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Nobody is winning these VFDs. Besides the needless acrimony that this specific sort of exchange engenders, they're going down to no consensus, time and again. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:32, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
      • For about a year now, some of the school-inclusionists have been putting in some serious work bringing school articles up to reasonable standards of quality. That is very helpful and a Good Thing. Factionalizing the debate and repeating stale old assertions over and over again is not helpful. Making general remarks about how all schools in general should be handled is not helpful. VfD discussions are about particular articles, and explanations of votes should address the particular article under discussion. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. It is just a school, which does not automatically grant notability. - brenneman(t)(c) 00:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep A good article now. The reason for nomination no longer applies. Bhoeble 01:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, obviously. Excellent rewrite by Silensor and Tony Sidaway. —RaD Man (talk) 04:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, good work on the cleanup. --Apyule 05:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - Great rewrite. --rob 20:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS. Most Sensible Comment award goes to Dpbsmith@16:36--encephalon | ζ  17:14:14, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
    • As goofy as this award is ;), I must echo the sentiment. This is not a black and white debate despite what both cabals hugging the extreme edges of the issue would have us believe.Gateman1997 18:39, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Could we have a little less of the c-word, please? I believe exaggerated reference to broad groups of voter alignment as "cabals" has done more to polarize the debate than anything else. --Tony SidawayTalk 18:56, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This school is both a historical landmark and an important part of the Dearborn community. Silensor 18:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable. Dunc|☺ 19:13, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, notability established. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:55, 2005 September 2 (UTC)
  • Delete if having a tractor makes it somehow notable then does farmer giles get his own page? Dunc|☺ 00:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. CDThieme 00:32, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per wikipedia:importance. Kappa 01:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable school with some recognizable alumni. Amren (talk) 15:35, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Enough of this pointless, time-wasting, impositional deletionist nonsense! Keep. --Gene_poole 13:28, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable vanity entry that didn't even upper case the name. Jonathunder 15:29, 2005 September 4 (UTC)
  • Excellent article now, but that can't remedy the non-notability of the subject. I'm sticking with my original delete vote. --fvw* 22:02, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • Please don't delete excellent articles. Factitious 12:35, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete article says a whole lot of nothing. --Kennyisinvisible 00:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Nice rewrite on a verifiable and encyclopedic topic. No downside to keeping this article. Factitious 12:35, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and stop nominating schools until consensus is reached on them --Ryan Delaney talk 10:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable. Sorry. Nandesuka 03:32, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.