Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Food crisis

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Stifle (talk) 20:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Food crisis

I am not that this is really an appropriate article. Does the term "food crisis" actually have a definitive scope that should be covered by an article? Compare to energy crisis which is a common term with a clear scope. BirgitteSB 17:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge and redirect to humanitarian crisis. I think the term "food crisis" is used broadly enough in the humanitarian community, and has a similar scope to energy crisis in that it tends to represent a constriction in supply -- that is, it's logistical, as opposed to a famine (which is a more specific term). But "humanitarian crisis" covers the same general area as food and medicine tend to be subject to the same problems at the same time, e.g. following an earthquake. --Dhartung | Talk 18:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep, possibly rename Ummm - you're completely misunderstanding the aim of that article. It's obviously wanting to talk about crises in industrial food production in developed countries, not about famine. Stuff like the BSE outbreak and the 'Eggwina' salmonella in eggs crisis in the UK, or dioxin in meat in the Low Countries in 1999. There's definitely an article to be written there that covers the 'big' crises like those (as opposed to every little "woman felt a bit ill" of List of foodborne illness outbreaks by country) - but I'm not sure that the current name is necessarily the best way to describe it. FlagSteward 15:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
      • But is it really valid to define "food crisis" exclusive of famines? Do you have sources for such a definition? The author's original aim doesn't necessarily count for much if we cannot source it.--BirgitteSB 18:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BirgitteSB-prod (talk • contribs)
        • Well - here's a mention on the EU food safety website, a Daily Telegraph headline, and in The Times to name but three. Despite all that I would agree that it's an unsatisfactory name for this article. I suspect that it is partly a Europe vs North America issue, there's just been a lot more such crises in European agriculture (I'm in the UK by the way). But that's just a WP:CSB detail. Still, the name of the article is a separate issue from whether the subject of the article is worthy of Wikipedia, and I would strongly argue that there's should be an article about this stuff, but wouldn't argue with a rename. Food safety crisis perhaps? FlagSteward 13:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Pace FlagSteward, it's hard for me to imagine that someone seeking this information would search "food crisis"; conversely, someone seeking information on famine might. Jlittlet 23:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I agree with Jlittlet and Nom. Jeepday (talk) 01:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Tentative Delete - This subject is covered by areas such as Foodborne illness, Famine and HIV. Additionally, in the food service industry, in which I work, or in the news media in the US, I have never heard this term used. This article is redundant. - Jeremy (Jerem43 02:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC))
    • No it's not redundant - it's nothing to do with HIV, nor famine. And Foodborne illness doesn't cover it, not only are some of these crises not about illness in humans, it's more about the cultural impact of these crises, a complex mix of politics, media and industrial food production. It's maybe hard for people in North America to grasp, but anyone who's seen John Gummer shoving a burger down his child for national TV will understand what I envisage for that article. I've a few other things on my plate at the moment, but if we can pause the AfD a few days and move the article to Food safety crisis (I assume we can't do that whilst an AfD is in place?), I'll see what I can do. FlagSteward 03:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Be careful, you don't want to move towards a violation of WP:NOR policies. We don't have allot of these issues in North America, maybe because the aren't 24 separate countries with one central bureaucracy trying to pull all of their disparate laws and health policies together in one form without offending a single country's traditional markets and foodstuffs. The US, Canada and Mexico work together to ensure that BSE and other hazards don't get into the main line food supply. It doesn't always work, but they get it right the vast majority of the time. Maybe you can look at the structure of your article and set it up Summary Style? I can wait and see what you come up with. - Jeremy (Jerem43 07:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC))
  • Keep, maybe move/rename. Notable concept. Everyking 12:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Maybe redirect to famine? Dunno. ♠PMC♠ 22:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - There is nothing in this article that can be salvaged that is not already present in famine and humanitarian crisis.--WaltCip 17:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.