Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flyff (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Cúchullain ^t/c 05:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flyff (2nd nomination)

Flyff (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

The reason provided by the user when it the AfD template was edited in by the user with an IP of 67.100.16.114 was Notability. Again, please note that I did not put the AfD up, I merely replaced the template with {{afdx}} because the user had used {{afd}}. Remy Suen 22:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep We've gone over this before. Flyff has recieved awards and its article has certainly gotten enough vandalism to render it notable. I'm not sure that this was a serious AfD, either, considering that the nominator didn't bother to start a talk page or even give a reason on the template. --Niroht | Smoke signals 22:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete unless reliable secondary sources are found by the end of the AfD. At present, the article is entirely self-sourced (the developer's own website, etc.). Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Last I checked, a secondary-sourced article just needs an unsourced tag, not deletion. We don't delete articles just because someone uses second-person, I don't see how lack of references calls for deletion.--Niroht | Smoke signals 16:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: To write that "its article has certainly gotten enough vandalism to render it notable" shows deep misunderstanding of Wikipedia policies including the WP:NOTE guideline. A Google search shows some game sites, player blogs, and a GameFaqs listing, but in the first couple of pages I didn't see any sources that appeared to meet the reliable sources policy. Neutral at this time because I haven't looked deeply into possible sources nor investigated how major are the awards won by Flyff, but so far I don't see multiple independent non-trivial coverage by reliable sources to meet the WP:ATT basic policy. Barno 17:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Let's pick, shall we? Last I checked I was allowed to type according to my personality rather than yours. Let's also note that this is a Korean program, so of course it's going to get more publicity in Korea than here. --Niroht | Smoke signals 01:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep I believe it doesn't seem noteable simply because its origins and larger user base are in non-english speaking contries. Let's not delete something simply because english speakers haven't heard much about it. Tag it with sources needed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kennethmaage (talk • contribs) 08:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

• Keep:

uh, why delete it exactly? its a popular mmo and lots of us have put alot of effort into making the article. its just the idiots who dont read the rules that stuff it up.

• Keep. A rewrite should've been requested if there are problems with the content, the article itself is notable. Harg 16:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• KeepAgreeing with the above that there should be an article for the game. If there's something wrong with it, then edit it. Gregorz 09:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.