Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florian Grassl

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn - keep. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 05:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Florian Grassl

This page cites no sources and provides no information that would establish the individual's notability. The only English language search results I noticed came from the article text.Withdraw due to world championship participation, a fact neither brought out in the article as nominated or in the prior information edited out. Erechtheus 06:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, one line stubs bother me. Wjhonson 07:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, much of the article was removed in this edit. He competed in the 2005/2006 Skeleton World Cup. Not sure how notable the Skeleton World Cup is, though. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 08:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong keep: the article is very incomplete, obviously, but Skeleton is an Olympic sport, and Florian Grassl was second in the 2004 world championships (he didn't compete at the Olympics due to an injury). This page[1] gives his results, which are more than worthy of inclusion here. Fram 09:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep High ranking sportsman in an admittedly minority sport. But I think more information about his history (injury, failing to make the Olympics) should be included. Coricus 10:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The length of an article should not be a reason for deletion. The article certainly establishes notablity. -- tariqabjotu 13:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Article length should not be a reason for deletion, but an article so spare that there is no indication of notability certainly invites deletion. A skeleton racer is not notable when given no more than that. I'd argue that nothing short of the world championship level establishes notability. Grassl qualifies as notable under that measure, though. That's why I withdraw this AfD. Erechtheus 18:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - He was 20th a year ago? That's notable? And I doubt many people are going to know what "DNS" is supposed to mean. Again the claim to notability is pretty slight even with this minor expansion. Wjhonson 18:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply: Yes, the article should be heavily expanded, but no, what's now in the article is not what makes him notable, what I gave in my link (see the very strong keep vote above, I don't use that lightly) is: the man finished second in the world championships of an Olympic sport. If that is no reason for inclusion, then what is? The fact that he couldn't compete at the Olympics was important enough for Germans that it got articles at Eurosport[2] e.a., his German title (yes, he is champion of Germany as well) got an article at ARD (the German BBC)[3]. When in doubt, try to find sources. The absence of them does not necessarily prove lack of notability, but when you get enough (and serious) sources, like in this case, then notability is firmly established. I'm all for deleting non notable article subjects, but this is not one of them. Fram 19:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply to Fram** - Not sure it's useful to hide all this knowledge here, why not add what you found *to* his page? Wjhonson 19:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.