Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Firefly (soundtrack)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was a difficult debate to synthesise - but in the end I conclude that a Merge to Firefly_(TV_series)#Music is appropriate. I note the helpful suggestion by PC78 that a {{Tracklist}} can be used to avoid clutter in the main article. It is not my intention to complete the merge but if PC78 or another editor could do so without cluttering the main Featured Article that would be much appreciated. --VS talk 04:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Firefly (soundtrack)

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An article on the soundtrack of a minor TV series, which contains nothing other than a track listing for the excellent reason that there is essentially nothing else to say. Every TV show has a soundtrack, this one does not appear to have any independent significance at all. Guy (Help!) 07:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

merge There is very little in the article, and that could easily be placed in the main article. The comment about the "common criticism" about a missing track should be ommitted unless it is cited, though. I think the track listing should also be left off. I don't think that leaves very much, just a note about the release dates and formats. StephenBuxton (talk) 07:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Merge to Firefly... the best place would probably be the Spin-offs section, although a section describing the music/composition of the series (which would in turn include the soundtrack release) might be an option. Reviews and the interview in this article's external links may of use for the expansion of the material, although I agree with StevenBuxton that the (unsourced) criticism about something that some flans thought should have been included but wasn't and the tracklist should be dropped for the immediate future. -- saberwyn 08:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect to Firefly_(TV_series)#Music, which as a section already does a far better job than this separate article. The tracklisting is unnecessary. – sgeureka t•c 08:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
    • How did I NOT see that section! *smacks head*. Merge and Redirect with anchor to the Music section of the Firefly article... by merge I mean insert the soundtrack infobox into the relevant paragraph of the section, and check the external links to see if any can be used as sources. The composer interview may have something of worth. -- saberwyn 08:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect to Firefly (TV series)#Music which already covers what's already said in this article Doc Strange (talk) 14:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge with Firefly (TV series). The Wookieepedian (talk) 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge into Firefly (TV series), but no reason to lose the tracklist. {{Tracklist}} can be used to avoid clutter in the main article. PC78 (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge into Firefly (TV series).  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —86.149.53.196 (talk) 10:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - This article is about an album, not about just music from the show. The album has independent notability, multiple published reviews, including an AMG review with star ratings. If it is merged, will the infobox be merged with it? That'd look pretty bad in the article. —Torc. (Talk.) 21:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • If the album was an independant work based on the show, or included material not in the show, I could agree. However, the album was created by the show's composer entirely from the music used in the show, and any successes of the album (i.e. reviews, awards, etc) would at the minimum reflect positively on the show's score. The reviews I've seen talk about the show's score more than they talk about the fact its been slapped on a cd, and to use as an example, the review you linked to talks about the music in the context of the show, and talk of the album independant of the show's music is limited to "Fans of ... Firefly have been clamoring for a soundtrack..." in the first line. As an aside, I experimented with adding some of the text and the soundtrack infobox to the section a few days ago (leaving the tracklist and the unsourced text behind). As of this edit, nobody seems to have had a major problem with it yet. -- saberwyn 02:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
      • No, that's a bad precedence to set. The album is still an independent work; one does not have to know the show to hear the album and vice versa. The article passes every notability test thrown at it, and there's really no reason to force it into a larger article. There's no guideline or precedent that says just because an article might fit into a larger one, we should merge it. There may not be complaints because nothing has been deleted yet; the main article still links to the article with the tracklist (which itself needs to be updated to reflect the differences between the CD and digital releases). At least a couple links in the article talk exclusively about the CD. —Torc. (Talk.) 03:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
  • You're missing the point. What coverage there is, is not of the soundtrack as an independent artistic endeavour distinct from the show. There's also no evidence that anyone other than fans of the show are interested in the soundtrack. Guy (Help!) 17:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
  • This is incorrect. This review is about the CD. It may reference the show to put the CD into some context, but ultimately the article is clearly about the presentation of the music on the CD, and this review discussion information like the differences between the CD and digital releases, which has absolutely nothing to do with the show. Neither article asserts people who are not fans of the show will not like the soundtrack. The argument that the album is not an "independent artistic endeavour" is largely irrelevant. We have entire categories of articles about albums with identical relationships to the source that spawned them. That doesn't invalidate the independent notability of the plastic object called "Firefly (Original Television Soundtrack)". It's just another album subarticle; its parent article is a TV show instead of a band, but the relationship is the same, and allowing a sourced, verified, independent work exist on its own page is the correct course of action. —Torc. (Talk.) 13:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ——Torc. (Talk.) 03:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Editorial decision for editors of the article. Firefly (TV series) is rather long and whether the track listing of its soundtrack fits within scope relative to all the other content is debatable. Note the "space permitting" condition in WP:MUSIC#Albums and songs. –Pomte 18:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Has independent sourcing and notability from tv series; also, Pomte's comment is persuasive. The Firefly (TV series) article is already quite long. I would think it more appropriate to split material from Firefly (TV series)#Music to the album article and let it stand as the main article for music in the series. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
  • keep per Moonriddengirl and Torc. Guy makes a good case, but the album appears to have independent notability enough for an article of its own. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


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